Also, new Rogue skills are being added for Season 4. As someone who hard-grinds in almost every game, I can say this clearly: those skills might be very good in maps. You might even be able to kill Uber with Shuriken. But you won’t be able to push corruption with them. It’s completely obvious what those skills are meant for—I saw it the moment they were revealed.
To me, it feels like the devs are basically saying, “Just kill Uber, that’s enough.” But for me, Uber is not endgame. That’s purely my personal view.
Yeah, I think this is one of the difficulties in making arpgs, there’s such a wide range of player skill levels, from you down to people who struggle with the campaign (yes, they exist, we have at least one on the forum, god bless him).
This is what I don’t understand. In Season 3 you had the option of playing around with a dozen new builds after you “finished the game”. You seem to think that isn’t worth doing. So why are new skills any different?
What is the actual difference between using primordials to create new builds or using new skills to create new builds?
You don’t seem to be an altoholic and neither do most of the players, considering Season 3 retention. So what, effectively, would be the difference between Season 3 retention to a hypothetical Season 4 with a dozen new skills?
I just fail to see how you can see new skills as something worth doing and new primordials not worth doing when they deliver the exact same thing.
Yes they are. In fact, they’re actually saying “Don’t even bother with Uber. 99.99% of you won’t be able to kill him”.
That is the part of the game they’re addressing right now. You’re way way way ahead of everyone else and it will be a while until EHG does stuff that will address your own issue.
Let’s not forget that they don’t actually want people doing 10k corruption. They likely don’t want anyone going over 5k either. They just fail miserably at nerfing overpowered stuff. Otherwise no one would be going too much over 2k corruption (especially because there actually is no point or benefit in doing so).
All skills in this game—even if used with primordial items—are designed with the logic of “just be able to do Uber”, except for 2–3 Rogue builds. We didn’t need primordials to kill Uber before, and still don’t. I don’t know how many times I’ve written this, and apparently you haven’t read it.
Uber is not endgame for me. Arena, for example, is a ridiculous mechanic that I assume the devs made to mess with us players. The only other thing left in the game is pushing corruption, right?
New skills will slightly change the playability of the game. Maybe extend it a little or a few days at most. That’s the maximum impact. If nothing new or different comes, and they just go with the mindset of “let’s add 2–3 new skills to Rogue and just balance the others” (which they probably will), the new season’s mechanics will basically be meaningless—a mini version of PoE’s Breach mechanic.
There will be nothing extra or different in the new season. I’m repeating this one last time: **skill additions will at most extend the game a few days. They won’t add anything else.
You’re only saying that because you’re currently using the offseason to promote yourself and are the only player pushing corruption just to get some attention. You probably only talk down on arena because you’re bad at it yourself. Tell me whats special about pushing corruption? I think the high majority of the playerbase will tell you pushing corruption is as boring as arena. Like how you constantly die on twitch at 40k corruption and act like you’re a pro player, while constantly exploiting in-game mechanics. Pushing corruption only needs patience, nothing else, no skill involved. By the way, aren’t you the guy who threatened people in turkish in the rogue discord channel?
EHG’s stats on Uber kills seem to disagree with you. Every time they do a count of masteries that killed Uber, there is always one mastery that has 2-3 kills or is even missing (in Season 3 it was warlock missing).
Which links to:
It actually isn’t endgame for the vast vast majority of players that consider endgame is BEFORE Uby.
Almost everyone stops playing long before being close to killing Uby. So that’s the gap they need to address first before they add something that will keep you and a dozen other people happy.
Because first they need to address the issues that are pushing thousands away, before they address the issues that are keeping a dozen players bored.
This is what I don’t understand and you still haven’t actually explained.
Why does a new skill extend playability and a new primordial one doesn’t?
With primordials you have a bunch of new builds that were previously impossible. For example, you can now have a reflect paladin when it wasn’t feasible before. Or a reflect necro. Or a reflect rogue.
That chest alone created new builds in several new classes.
Then you have the frog helmet. It also created new different builds that you could play around with for a few hours to entend playability.
Legends entwined also allows for a lot of experimentation on builds that weren’t possible before and that extend playability.
Plus a bunch of other ones.
So if a primordial that in some cases created new skills (frogs) and made possible builds that weren’t possible before (reflect for non-spriggan) doesn’t extend playability for you, why would a new skill be different? What exactly is the difference between creating new builds with primordials or creating new builds with new skills?
Does a new skill mean new items? I didn’t want to go into detail, but you’ll understand. When a new skill is added, new items usually come with it. These could be primordials, normal unique items, or even set items that get reworked. This is how it always works in every game, right?
If we look at the new skills they’ve been adding in the last few seasons, each new skill comes with exactly one unique for it.
It still doesn’t answer the question.
Maybe if we go by steps:
-Does the reflect chest allow for experimenting for 10-15h creating new builds for a few masteries? Yes or No?
-Does the frog helmet allow for experimenting for 10-15h creating new builds with it? Yes or No?
-Does the set primordial allow for experimenting for 10-15h creating new builds with it? Yes or No?
Once that’s answered, let’s tackle the next part:
-Will a new skill allow for experimenting for 10-15h creating new builds with it? Yes or No?
For almost everyone, the answer to all questions is yes. So what exactly is the difference where primordials aren’t engaging and won’t extend playability (even though they create builds and even skills that didn’t exist before) and a new skill does?
Personally, I think a new skill will extend playability exactly the same as primordials. Which is quite a lot for people that like creating their own builds and like creating alts, and exactly nothing for 95% of the playerbase that only follows a guide and plays only 1 or 2 characters per season at most.
Why don’t you post the messages where you and people like you were being racist? And then you just act like it never happened? Because you’re still RACIST…
This is the second time i’ve interacted with you. The first time, I was just trying to explain that you shouldn’t speak badly about people who know the game. I’ve never said anything racist about you.
And I didn’t speak badly about anyone either. I never said a single bad word about any streamer. On my own stream, I just said how much corruption I reached and mentioned that there are mistakes in the game. I also said that I couldn’t explain it fully because my English isn’t very good. So now, why am I considered bad, and what did I do?
It doesn’t matter whether the person is a streamer or not. You have insulted and threatened the player who killed uber abby first + another rank 1 rogue arena player + another known build creator. In addition you also provided information to a different player to try out aerial assault as a bladedancer…
i agree, i’m also not happy with the current state of the game.
Fair, i’m not a native speaker myself, so i didnt make fun of your language at all.
Now let’s get to this part. I understand that you heard something from others and now hate me. But tell me, if you see someone trying to make fun of you, would you respond to them?
The situation isn’t actually what you think. The other kids who were supposedly trying to make fun of me were actually saying, “Can you do this corruption with SWARMBLADE?” They thought they were being smart and mocking me. I told them, yes, I can, and even said you could use Aerial Assault with Bladedancer.
Now, how do you think I should have acted? The kids were mocking me, so I mocked them back. Even babies know that Swarmblade is Shutdown this season, right?
And now you’ve just joined them and have a negative opinion about me. Let me ask you something… if you tell a guy who has played Rogue for thousands of hours that he doesn’t know, what do you think he would say to you?
I didn’t hear that from anyone, I read it because I’m often in the rogue channel. Stop thinking there is some kind of group or conspiracy against you. Just chat with us normally and you won’t keep getting attacked.
Good to know, so maybe it’s just a language barrier here and we misunderstood.
Again, i didnt join anyone. I’m just representing myself. We are a small community and i’m trying to bring positive vibes into the game and interact with other players. And when i see a person getting hostile towards other players i usually stay out of drama. But when i see someone giving misinformation or talking down on other players then i speak up.
no clue, nobody dares to talk smack about me when they are talking about rogue because they know i have high knowledge about the class and i come with facts.
There’s no belittling or insulting under normal circumstances. But you don’t know anything. What you’ve read and seen here doesn’t mean the disrespect shown to me didn’t happen.
I opened a Reddit account for the first time and wrote about 40k corruption. Some clueless kids, a group of 5–6, are trolling everywhere, sending messages all over. The kid you called Arena #1 is also siding with them and acting the same way. And you’re saying that I’m in the wrong. No, I’m not in the wrong. I respond the way people treat me.
You can’t tell me to stay silent about this. No person randomly insults or curses another person for no reason. But in this case, they deserved it, and I gave it back.
