You have pretty much no clue do you? 1 tank + 3 DD’s who don’t need to care for anything but “Don’t stand in shit!” steamroll the game. The worst outliers that a solo player can build right now times 4 IS steamrolling the game and mae it a walking simulator.
IF they balance the builds that are strong in solo play because they are broken op godlike in MP they are worthless in solo play. EHG can’t balance the solo game according to MP because if the do so every build who is able to solo content fast right now would be totaly bonkers in MP.
Just stop try to be smart for once it gets embarresing.
Not necessarily, it depends on the specific examples you’re talking about. Take poison for example, even just capping the resist shred to 30 stacks (from memory), that won’t make it “worthless” in solo, but it will be significantly less effective than it currently is for the builds that are currently nuts in solo.
IMO, if what you say/are worried about does happen, that would be either excessive “balancing” or just doing it wrong.
It could happen, certainly, and it’s reasonable to be concerned about it.
Yeah, it would be interesting to know if EHG would still like to have an economy but haven’t quite figured out how to do it without also needing to junk the drop rates. Without them saying that, you’d kinda have to take the more recent post over the older one (unfortunately).
And mobs will die faster (as a separate thing to the incoming damage being spread between more players), especially the tougher mobs (since trash mobs will die very quickly anyway).
Same happens in every Hack and Slay and in every balance cycle. There are always best builds and builds that are trash. “Worhtless” is the wrong word give or take let’s call it: “Some builds will underperform a lot to an extend you might not even kill one enemy in an expirienced MP group and you’ll have a (much) harder time solo.” . This happened to every hack and slay I played and continued in every season I droped in and most likely will continue on.
First off, those aren’t even in danger. Quit with the hyperbole on this matter. Simply make any item that has been crafted become ‘bound’ to that account and untrade/sellable, then you eliminate the vast majority of the items, and market flooding, people are crying about. It’s not rocket surgery. Sure, LP items could still be traded, but I sincerely doubt people will buy them, just to NOT craft them. And, if they do? Who cares? 99.999999999% of the time, they will be bought, crafted and removed from the economy.
Let’s not kid ourselves. This isn’t a game that will have 100s of 1000s of players, playing 18 hours a day, flooding the market with 4LP and Tier7 exalts. Ultra rare items will still be ultra rare… What’s it been now? Over a year since LP was introduced? I have 1 3LP and 0 4LP items. And most of my 2+ LP items are on common trash uniques. Worrying about the 0.0001% chance worst case scenario (that 3 and 4LP rares, and T7 Exalts will flood the markets), and sculpting the game around it is moronic, at best.
I swear. This worst case scenario, doomsaying, that so many of you are doing, is just like arguing with a 4 year old. It’s not reality, it’s some made-up fantasy, that now we have to deal with, because…in your mind…you have crafted the worst possible thing imaginable, and made it the most common scenario.
And, as far as ‘at the expense of EHGs vision’, let’s not forget, their initial vision involved a game-supported trade… not dissimilar from a bazaar or AH. So, if anything, this bastardized D3 party-only gift system is at theexpense of their vision.
Just as LE’s will be… as soon as you put something out there people try to get the best possible outcome in every way shape or form. Humans are simply exploitive beeings and I can’t think of any failsave that worked 100%.
Can you point me to the exact time EHG appointed you their personal champion? I’m just curious why you feel the need rush to their rescue.
Once again, you’re inventing your own reality, passing it off as the most common scenario, and using that to defend your position. We’ve run all around this bush, hearing about RMT, players not playing the game, impossible loot drop balancing and now we’re back to the nebulous loopholes that will ruin the game.
I’m just curious if you have any real instances of games that were completely ruined, were too boring to play or outright failed, simply because of trade. Not games that failed for other reasons and had trade, but a game that failed simply due to the concept of trade (and no, D3 does not count, because it was the RMT AH that doomed it, not trade itself).
Because every almost 100% abuse proof system in the was… wait for it… waaaaaaait for iiiiit… abused.
On top of that silly comment something more on the serious side of things. I’ll answer the why part. I look at things differently and I have different things that are important to me. This leads to different philosophies and first of all I think there should be a saystem in place that benefits as many as possible people and that is hard by itself.
When the devs answer the thread and tell us they’ll (or not) work on trade/gifting or whatever it’ll be called and put a system in place we can test it and try to make it 100% abuse proof and fail misrebale while we are at it even when we think it is abuse proof.
As I advocated elswhere… I just want trade up to (non crafted) rares as well as 0LP uniques and set items. Everything else should only be transfereable due the gifting system in place. This might lead to a faster completion of the story part but every meaningfull drop must be farmed.
No need to change droprates… no need to change gifting and make all the workhours meaningless… aquisition of items come from gameplay not from “trade” (while gifting is kind of the same thing in a group that works togheter). Noone looses anything but some hours of tutorial aka story part most people don’t care for anyway.
Not having those didn’t mean they didn’t want to. It simply meant that they had a small dev team and adding those things were a lower priority than adding content.
I disagree with that. If they’d have got rid of the RMAH but kept the GAH they wouldn’t have changed the drop rates. They might have still added some version of smart loot where attributes only spawned on relevant items, but the core issue of shity drops would have remained because the reason for that (free trade) remained.
You might not want to think that drops need to be balanced around trade, but EHG (and GGG & Blizzard) do.
4 years ago you thought +skills were impossible, I’m sure you can do it. Just work Kain a bit harder, it’s not like he needs time off or sleep, or even food really.
Almost all server sided hack and slays work this way while P2P games work like a charm with trade and untouched droprates ^^. I’m not sure what to think of it and if trade or droprate “balancing” is just an excuse to stretch game content where non is besides the good old treatmill.
Don’t get me wrong I like hack and slays but imagine every ARPG you played with a D3 like item shower… non of these whould’ve lasted a long time because everyone and their grandma would be done with the game in 1 day because hack and slays deliver no content and only “little” replayability if you aren’t into mindless grind.
Personally I would probably say that p2p games are balanced around the assumption that most people will play them as offline/single player so the drop rates have to be appropriate to that. While can be an online element to them, I think that’s more likely to be treated as a secondary concern vis-a-vis trade. After all, if online/multiplayer was going to be a primary concern, they’d have closed/servers (even D2 did over 20 years ago).
The drop rates weren’t necessarily the problem. It was the drop-logic code, that they later altered. Most drops players got weren’t useful for their selected class. THAT was the real issue. I gathered more than enough rare/set/legendary items prior to the D3 revamp, but none of them were useful for my given class at the time – I was playing a Mage, and had so many Witch Doctor/Demon Hunter items, I was drowning in them.
The sad thing is we have leaderboards and outside of this there isn’t even a reason to have the game serversided at least from my point of view. Without trading and the Bazar there is not much that speaks for the involvement of servers. I think we would be better of with the good old P2P route and open trade where people can play the way they want without restrictions or nerfed droprates.
That’s what I tried to tell the people already but they all know it better ^^. The droprates have been okay but sadly the stats have been crap… echoing fury with int on it nice!
Just work Kain a bit harder, it’s not like he needs time off or sleep, or even food really.