Eleventh Hour Games | New Partnership

Those types of concerns remain EHG’s responsibilities and completely fall under our team’s purview.

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I know this isn’t in regards to the game itself, which I’m sure will go mostly unchanged since they also own a part of GGG and PoE has been more or less great. However, considering only 10 days ago you (EHG) posted about your support for the Ukrainian people and now you’re partially owned by a Chinese owned company and China is a known backer of Russia and their military. I feel like there’s more than just the game that needs to be addressed now.

How do you think this will effect your relationship with your “wonderful team members, their friends, families, and countrymen that are impacted by this situation” (taken from the forum post regarding the current war in Ukraine) and how do you plan to rationalize this decision you’ve made to accept backing from a country that also provides support to Russia?

This may read like a “gatcha” post, but I’m genuinely curious how you can make a decision like this and not consider your team members, their friends, families, and countrymen. This is a very important point to address if you want to maintain any face going forward. We’re not all 12 year old gamers who don’t care about what happens behind the scenes in the companies we support with our money and fan boys who will continue to support you regardless.

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I guess every online interaction is a potential teaching moment :slight_smile:

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It’s not like they weren’t planned since the Kickstarter. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Great news for both the team and the game, congrats !

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“Tencent” is a strong word for sure xD
But PoE is going strong after after Tencent’s investment. So I see this as a good new!

This is the worst news I could have possibly imagined. I’d rather you announce that everything is getting delayed by a year or even that you are shutting down altogether.

I have no desire whatsoever to contribute in any, even the most minor, way to the enrichment of a Chinese company that does whatever the CCP tells it to do. I’m incredibly disappointed in you taking that route.

Sadly, I don’t believe there is a way for me to return the game, given that I’ve spent hundreds of hours playing it, but if there was such an opportunity, I would take it in a heartbeat.

The best I can do now it to stop playing and stop telling people to buy this game.

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Both? Both. Both is… not good, actually

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This isn’t a contradiction to us. In our view there are very important differences between individuals, businesses, and governments. If a conflict breaks out between two governments, we do not take those actions as a reflection of the individuals who happen to live there - in fact our heart goes out to them.

This is an agreement that was made between two teams, two businesses, full of wonderful, passionate APRG gamers. It does not reflect on the political views of the individual team members on our team, or on theirs - nor does it have any hidden political subtext to read into.

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Pretty much the response I was expecting.

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Good news for the game, probably, as it should allow faster and better quality development.

Bad news for gaming in general, it seems no indie can exist anymore, Tencent, Microsoft and very few other giants are monopolising everything. We will soon have 2 / 3 companies controlling the entire market (if we don’t already).

As for the team, I don’t know…
Good news for their families and bank accounts, bad news for their souls and moral integrity?

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Why the investment from Microsoft or Tencent is bad for gaming? I’d say the opposite tbh. Money allows game development, that’s the hard truth. Development is expensive and the people behind games need to pay bills.

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As someone who regularly contributes both money and labor to a few (unrelated) charitable causes that are close to my heart, I think the display of self-righteous slacktivism in this thread is genuinely offensive.

None of y’all are out there doing anything real - of which there is no dearth - to help with the things you claim to have a problem with. Hyperbolic moral outrage about a Chinese company making a minor investment in an indie game developer doesn’t count for anything, to anyone. You don’t actually care and this is just an emotional drug fix for you. Tencent is just the bogeyman du jour. Step down.

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What ARPGs you playing now?

You just have to comment on everything don’t you Christ

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I tend to consider monopolies bad, in any domain.
Tencent or Microsoft investing a bit in gaming would be absolutely fine. But what they are trying to do now is to buy EVERYTHING, as fast as possible, to try and corner the market. This is generally bad in my views, the more open the competition, the more creativity, and the more different things we get.

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None atm, currently have Chronicon, Hero siege and Grim dawn installed.
Have’nt played them for months.

Lovely to assume everyone who doesn’t share your stance is a hypocrite, unlike you. Did you ever, at any point, stop to consider you’re not the only person on Earth who might actually take practical action in favor of the stances they take - assuming you’re even saying the truth and not just trolling? Did you stop to think at any point while writing this post that maybe you actually aren’t a special gift from heaven and other people besides you might have genuine grievances they’re justified in expressing?

I’m disappointed in EHG.

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People have already expressed that they don’t want to support the Chinese government, which essentially owns every Chinese business including Tencent, in this thread. I’m just posting to let Tencent / EHG and the community know that there are more of us than they may realize. This is one of the reasons I stopped playing PoE and started playing Last Epoch. Hype week is now a week of disappointment.

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They were coming anyway!

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