Damage taken spike in Empowered Monolith

General
83

The issue is that no distinct difficulty exists ‘behind Uberroth’. Which is different from the competition.

Yes, you unlock Uber-bosses in PoE with doing T17 maps… which are ‘theoretically’ the highest content.
But after uber-bosses you can use methods to buff that content and actually handle it this way, up to the degree of potentially dealing with all possible content variations existing if you push it far enough, which is the ultimate goal.

Nothing like that in LE exists comparatively, since the corruption increase not only tapers of to nearly nothing but also is… well… endless in scaling there is no distinct goal available… which makes putting items behind pinnacle content fairly nonsensical outside of min-max reasons. And not many are min-maxers.

84

Last season I’ve created a super fun (for me) yet not cheap build (melee GS+TS Beastmaster using the Storm Breaker unique 2H mace) (which I farmed with blood and tears myself as I play CoF) which could do Abby in under 4 mins and clear 600 Corr maps (and harbingers).

Now I get 1-shotted by Harbingers on 400 Corr. They certainly did smth to the numbers and it really pisses me off.
And it’s not that my character is squishy - I have over 50% armor, res capped, layers upon layers upon layers of defenses from BM/Primalist passives, 4k HP, a ton of health leech, Titan Heart, RED GODDAM RING!
But now I get 1shots with 4-5k hits from harbingers, whos hits a was tanking at ease (well, not at ease, but they left me with around 10% HP).

I’m just wondering - WHAT ELSE should my build have to be once again viable to kill Abberoth and still be fun (without me requiring to dump all the fun and play OP meta EQ bear or frogs?)
I always loved LE for the ability to play around skill you like and still get kills and fun. But the reality hits hard with 1.3 Patch. No changes concerning my build/class whatsoever that could affect me that hard yet I get BONKED like a truck now without any goddam idea on how ELSE should I improve. That’s just ridiculous

2 Likes
85

Damage reduction percentage helps a lot. My EQBear BM has 20% from chest, 10% from roar, 20% low life, 16% near by, 10% to minions. Plus my endurance is capped, my endo threshold is very high, all resists overcapped, and almost immune to crit. Oh yeah, I use a shield too (cough).Onslaught of Cetera is very fun. I could stack more DR also if I wanted too :wink:

86

So basically ‘use every single defensive option in the game at once’ is the answer?

Seems kinda like shit design to me if you ask me :stuck_out_tongue:
If you need everything you have no choices about stuff, you cannot choose if you go more offensive or defensive, you have no choice on which specific defensive layer to take. It makes every build the same, starved constantly for defenses to even do the baseline of content… not to speak of only OP builds being able to go beyond when we see it comparatively to the majority existing.

2 Likes
87

It’s the same DR system that Diablo games use. Example: Look at D3. You can wear an Aquila Chest for 50%, wear a unity for another 50%, get 50% from a set. The formulas are different on how diminished returns works, but if you don’t at least have that first 50% you are cooked. Even with lots of resists/armor. The only time armor makes you immune would be for stuff like gold wrap or mega paragons in main stat.

88

And I won’t compare technical depth with Diablo games of the modern time either.

They’re technically as deep as a puddle in a genre which has the biggest long-term playergroup wanting the depth of an ocean. It has the longest expected play-time of any genre besides MMO’s like Guild Wars, Runescape or the more classic versions of WoW before it became shallow reptitive slob.
This methodology is so utterly inadequate that not a single game outside of the Diablo franchise managed to make a successful long-term title in the history of gaming. And Diablo solely lives from the franchise name, hence massive PR which causes a high turnover rate.
LE is not mainstream visible, neiter is PoE. So any methodology which works on mainstream customers simply won’t work because they have no inclination to become customers in the first place.
Every game… every genre has a specific clientel, and Diablo has been an outlier since Diablo 3.

It’s baffling enough that a single instance of ‘makes you immune’ even exists. But that’s besides the point and only a showcase of how badly designed Blizzard games are.
If you want AAA slob and enjoy it fine… all power to you… but don’t tell anyone else ever ‘be happy with low quality simply, should suffice, right?’

89

Diablo DR is a system most people understand. It’s been around forever. As soon as I saw that resists and armor weren’t enough, I started stacking it and it worked. I love glass cannon dps builds as much as the next guy, but I have no issues using stuff like a shield if it keeps me alive.

90

Yes, and walking from A to B is easier to understanding how a car functions, or to learn riding a bike.

Simple is not automatically the optimal thing. And you also can’t expect something awesome to come from basically nothing.

Much like nobody will re-invent walking to make it better then using any mode of transportation besides walking as that option simply doesn’t exist. The same thing for developer as they cannot create a great experience without the necessary tools.

If you want simple I recommend a more simple game targeted at people which don’t want to have the need to use their mental capacities in any major way. Which is absolutely fine. There’s a reason why games like ‘Candy Crush’ are absolutely going off to high heavens. You don’t need to think, you only need pattern recognition. Or why all those ‘Clash of Clans’ type games bring in more money then anything else. You just need to be there more then others and if that doesn’t solve it then throw money at the solution until it works out.

But if you want to use your brain and actually are someone which relies on decision-making with weight and reasoning behind it then you instead play games like PoE, Dwarf Fortress, Factorio, Caves of Qud, Blue Prince… and so on. Those are inherently complex games in one or another area, needing you to actually use your brain to succeed.

And LE as well as many many many other games? Somwhere in the middle.

As for the target audience of LE? Leaning towards PoE vastly more then towards D3/D4. It has substantial overlaps with Grim Dawn.

Hence it’s expected to use the brain accordingly to that… and I’m sorry to say… but the Diablo DR system? That one is so one-dimensional in design that it elicts not a single ounce of enjoyment for the build creation, your build is pre-solved immediately without variance since you cannot create any variance as… well… it has no other dimensions then that one which actually matters, everything else is peanuts after all in terms of effect.

Now… if you have a situational DR system which actually does affect only parts of the whole and have to hence decide which to use to how much of a degree at least so the cumulative effect is more powerful then heavily leaning into a single avenue… that’s a start already!
Oh wait! That kinda sounds like resistances + armor already! For example. Still simplistic after all… so more elements come in. Armor or evasion? Evasion or Ward? Scaling Health with endurance or rather using things like parry or block?
Those need to be different choices based on different viable compositions. Not a ‘all in one deal’ where you gotta have em all or fail..

Universal DR is the lowest possible layer a developer can take for a defensive measure outside of more HP simply. It’s inadequate for the expected complexity of the game. Miniscule extra measure? Fine!
Prevalence like we see nowadays? Not fine as it reduces variety.

91

Nowhere in the post was a mention of Armor. Or Ward. Or Parrying. Or Dodging. Or Mana before HP. Seems to me like your assertion of “using every single defensive option at once” is shit, not based in what was written at all. Are you making stuff up on purpose?

If you need translation, what was said is “I’m using my class DR passives, capped endurance, almost capped crit reduction and I’m wearing a DR chest”, which is pretty standard for most builds.

1 Like