Creativ game modes, hardcore, difficulty, resistance, gear

[Augenzu]

Hello. I really like to play Last epoch wrongly.

I played hardcore without equipping any item with resistance on it. This gave another difficulty, which last epoch does not provide.

When I played Diablo 3, sometimes I played too high difficulty for some chapter for fun. It is nearly impossible to kill a minion with too high difficulty, but sometimes a fun experience.
#Diablo 3 has options for tons of difficulty with increased chances for rare loot#

Often I play LE without poison or bleed skills. This can be difficult and not the best option. But having many options to play the game is fun. It might not be the best for endgame or the fastest option. But I like to play games, yes, for fun.

So be creativ. Be passionate.
It is far off from reaching the end of options how to play Last epoch. Some have still to be created.

Little Feedback gear:
Level 80+ legendary gear has too high stats compared to other gear, which gives less options for build planning.
There are a lot of possibilities to give more options. For example recreating the effect on higher level gear, like LE already did with ‘the claw’ and ‘the fang’.

[Airowird]

@Augenzu

Little feedback resistance:
playing without resistance the story made me take close to twice as much damage. But that’s not that diffcult, because gear without resistance had other stats to make me compensate.

But in endgame having enough resistance to reach 0% instead of 75% makes me take quadruple damage. In high endgame it is optimal to have 75%. Having even ‘just’ 50% makes me take double damage. So I feel forced to max out resistance for the area.

Except this isn’t PoE and resistance doesn’t work like that.

Enemies already have 1% resistance pen per area level, up to 75%

So your 50% resistance at high level means the enemy does 25% more damage to you. If you have 0% resistance, you take 175% of the max res damage, NOT 400%

It is mentioned in the Game Guide > Combat Mechanics > Penetrations

[Augenzu]

But in endgame having enough resistance to reach 0%

That’s what I meant when I wrote it this way. But thx, I will clarify it in another way.

Edit: Hope it ok now.

[Llama8]

@Augenzu

But in endgame having enough resistance to only negate ‘enemy resistance pen’ instead of cap resistance makes me take quadruple damage. In high endgame it is optimal to have Cap. Having even ‘just’ 25% less makes me take double damage. So I feel forced to max out resistance for the area.

This bit is still wrong. Ideally you’d just remove it.

@Augenzu

playing without resistance the story made me take close to twice as much damage. But that’s not that diffcult, because gear without resistance had other stats to make me compensate.

This could also be wrong depending on what you’re thinking.

In lvl 75+ zones, the amount of extra damage you take by being under the cap is the same as how much you’re under the cap (as Airowird explained), so if you’re 1% under the cap, you’ll take 1% increased damage, this is why they implemented the area level resistance penetration in the way they did.

If you’re in a <75 zone it’s a bit more complicated because there are more options available.

If you’re in a lvl 50 zone, mobs will have -50% resist penetration, so if you have 50% resist before the penetration, its treated as 0% & you take “normal” damage. If you’ve got 75% resist in that lvl 50 zone, the penetration reduces it to 25%, so you take less damage, how much less depends on what you’re comparing it to. If you only have 25% resist then the mobs would treat is as if you had -25% and you’ll take 25% more damage than you would compared to having 50% resist & 67% more than if you had 75% resist ('cause you’d take 125 damage from a 100 damage hit compared to only taking 75 damage from the same hit if you had 75% resist & 125 / 75 = 1.666 recurring).

[Augenzu]

In lvl 75+ zones, the amount of extra damage you take by being under the cap is the same as how much you’re under the cap (as Airowird explained), so if you’re 1% under the cap, you’ll take 1% increased damage, this is why they implemented the area level resistance penetration in the way they did.

so if you’re 1% under the cap, you’ll take 1% increased damage

This sounds very complicated. Especially to implement it as code.

I understood it this way:
Enemy has 50% pen.
I have 125% resist.
I will have cap with 75% resist.
So instead of 100 damage I would get 25 damage.

Enemy has 50% pen.
I have 100% resist.
I will have 50% resist, 25% below cap.
Instead of 100 damage I would take 50 damage.
Logically I feel forced to go for cap, because 50 would be twice as much as 25.

I still haven’t understood how what you said is implemented in the game.

Edit: Ahhh I got it. I can’t go to 150% resistance xDD
Allright took it out

[DJSamhein]

What you said is not correct. So let’s start with basics. And we’re assuming empowered monos, since that’s the easier math:
-You have 75% resist. Your effective resistance is 0% because of area penetration. You take a 100 damage hit. You take 100 damage.
-You have 150% resist. Your effective resistance is 0% because 75% is the cap and then area penetration kicks in. You take a 100 damage hit, you take 100 damage.
-You have 70% resist. Your effective resistance is -5% because of area penetration. You take a 100 damage hit, you take 105 damage. So 5% more.
-You have 50% resist. Effective -25%. 100 damage hit, you take 125 damage. So 25% more.
-You have 0% resist. Effective -75%. 100 daamage hit, you take 175. So 75% more.
-You manage to increase max resist to 90%. Effective 15%. 100 damage hit, you take 85. So 15% less.

So from this you can see that in higher level areas (75+), things are pretty straight forward. 1% less resists = 1% more damage. 50% less resists = 50% more damage. It’s a 1:1 ratio because the effective base is always 0%.
Which is very different from normal games where the base is assumed to be 75%, so going from 74% to 75% is usually around a 4% reduction.

[Augenzu]

Yeah I just took it out. I can’t go above 75% resistance