Co-op

[hidfalkzTTV]

Hi,
Been playing alot the last couple of weeks and I have a few questions regarding the co-op experience.

1. Stability works fine, but when you kill a boss you do not get a gaze and if you have one, it does not apply on shade and not on your own map. So if I want to progress, we have to play double the echos, alternating between our maps. Why?
2. Why do we get different loot, joining on friends? Another way, like above to hinder us from playing and farming together, cause if we want to farm specifics, one person won’t be able to have the same item rewards in echo. It works ok if we want different type of loot, but if we both want daggers for example, one has to hope it randomly shows up.
3. Is there plans to fix or is there any way I can change my friends damage shown? At least some way of altering their colour?

I am truly enjoying the game and I hope to be able to grind more with friends.

[Llama8]

@hidfalkzTTV

Why do we get different loot, joining on friends? Another way, like above to hinder us from playing and farming together, cause if we want to farm specifics, one person won’t be able to have the same item rewards in echo. It works ok if we want different type of loot, but if we both want daggers for example, one has to hope it randomly shows up.

To avoid doubling/tripling/quadrupling the efficiency of running empoweted monos for the reward nodes.

[Heavy]

Welcome to the LE Community!

@hidfalkzTTV

Stability works fine, but when you kill a boss you do not get a gaze and if you have one, it does not apply on shade and not on your own map. So if I want to progress, we have to play double the echos, alternating between our maps. Why?

Every player has its own timeline this is an upside and a downside for sure.
If you are both at the same progression this feels bad, but this also allows you do play together with people who ahve a completely different state of their timeline.

Or if you and/or your friend play a littel bit alone, it does not really interfere with you two playing together at a later point.

@hidfalkzTTV

Why do we get different loot, joining on friends? Another way, like above to hinder us from playing and farming together, cause if we want to farm specifics, one person won’t be able to have the same item rewards in echo. It works ok if we want different type of loot, but if we both want daggers for example, one has to hope it randomly shows up.

This was made, to deny split-farming strategies (which otherwise would be the best and most efficient way). Essentiall every player in a “party” plays solo and “prepares” his timeline and not do all desired rewards yet.
Then after all player preparing enough you would join together and do all the rewards.

During testing we found out that this split farming strategy was landslides better than anything else and would lead to undesired “coop” behaviour, were playing coop the most efficient way basically meant, that everybody played solo.

Here is a word form one of the pre 0.9 Dev Blogs on this:

@EHG_Kain

Echo Rewards

With our main two priorities in mind - Fun and Fair, we’ve implemented a unique solution for monolith navigation and rewards. When we first implemented monolith for our Community Testers, it was quickly found that providing the same node rewards to everyone created a very poor experience in which there was a clear optimal path of split farming. This strategy involved splitting up to individually farm out a monolith web until a number of exalted and unique nodes were unveiled, then group up just to complete those nodes to maximize the highest tier of rewards from the monolith. Because this involves constantly splitting up and then reforming parties, it wasn’t a very fun experience. We wanted the experience of multiplayer to be for groups to play together and stay together for as long as they wanted.

Not just any solution would do though. A big part of our Monolith experience when it comes to rewards is that of “Choice.” We feel that it’s important in Last Epoch to empower players with the ability to choose, whether it’s crafting, build selection, or the Monolith. Normally when navigating the echo, you have the power of choice by selecting which echo you want to do, which is often heavily affected by the rewards the echo offers. In multiplayer, if everyone’s in the same echo, then only one player can have chosen the echo and its associated reward, so by default, other players in the party would lose that sense of control over the items they’re farming for. As such, we needed to find a solution that solved split-farming issues while still offering the power of choice. After a few iterative changes, we now have a solution we are thrilled to share.

When in a party, one player can pick a node on the monolith web, and for the person who picks which echo is being done, everything works as it currently does in single-player. However, for other players in the party, when the echo is completed, they will be presented with two options for rewards from the echo. These reward options are the same options that are normally found in the echo web (eg. ‘Exalted Helms’, or ‘Rare Swords’), and are rolled using the same weighting as the echo that was completed. Meaning the corruption level of the echo and the distance from the center will weigh into the reward options. The result of this is that all group members will get the same average value of rewards, and for individual echo’s may result in getting lower tier rewards, the same rewards, or better rewards than the party leader.

So what role will you want? The Party Leader who gets to choose their specific rewards on the web, or the Party Member who gets to choose between two options, each echo with the potential for even better rewards than the Party Leader picked?

It is really important to understand, that as a Guest you will overall get more/better loot, because the corruption and dpth does impact the chance for rare rewards to appear, evne for the Guest)
In longer play session you will most often also even get the most desired rewards more often than the Host.
You literally get twice as much choices.

@hidfalkzTTV

Is there plans to fix or is there any way I can change my friends damage shown? At least some way of altering their colour?

Pretty sure, this is a highly requested feature, especially for Summoners in Parties, because they tend to cause a lot of individual hits.
Not sure if or when it will come though.