You miss the point of getting to the same level again with a new toon in LE. It’s not just running to the choice and all is reset. It’s farming monos again and get the idol slots and passive points and so on. Right this last PoE season I had ~30 regrets at level 50 and enough mats to even vendor 10 more. I never had issues in poE but I neither have issues in LE either.
It boils down to “how do you feel about it?”. In PoE I play builds that transfer into ES at a certain point and I know I need xyz amount of regrets. I can swap ascendencies on the fly at a cheap cost even when playing solo or ssf. In LE if i play Solo I need to make a new toon pick the mastery and worst case rerun the campaign because I have no keys to spare.
At the end of the day I don’t care but I understad people feeling punished by the system in place.
I can uderstand people wanting to respec masteries, but I still believe it is all just a matter of perception and people equating masteries with PoE ascendancies (which, initially, also couldn’t be respecced). If they were simply presented as your class at character creation, most players that ask for a mastery respec would probably never think of it instead.
As I’ve said before, I don’t really care either way. I’m fine with whichever option is available. Much like I don’t care about it in PoE and wasn’t even aware that they had implemented ascendancy respec. When I want a new build, I make a new character.
I think making new characters is part of the main loop that feeds ARPGs. And one of the reasons D3 (and now D4) is having such a hard time is because they don’t incentivize this. People play the same character, freely switch it to another build, get bored in a week and see no incentive to make a new one, so they leave until there’s something new. I hope LE never adopts the same philosophy.
That’s what I do, as well. LE allows you to make 25 characters, and it’s not for muling. Characters don’t take long to level, and you never know when you’ll find some item that inspires you to make a different build.
I’ve read that LE isn’t alt-friendly, but that may be outdated, but I’ve found LE encourages us to try different things with different characters.
If you are fine following guides, there are quite a few posted by @boardman21 and Maxroll has a good library of them as well. Most also include a how-to on leveling the build, or suggest a leveling build you can use prior to the build’s skills coming available.
I think the difference between LE and PoE in that regard is that even less casual players in PoE use builds, because the system is too complex. Whereas on LE most players can experiment creating their own build. Even casual players will, most likely, start doing that after the first few chars.
The fact that the early game is pretty forgiving is actually a bonus to this. You can make your own build and be pretty much guaranteed that you can make it all the way to monos and even farm a few until you hit a roadblock. And at that point it’s not too hard to respec into something else.
Last time I played a solo character to test some skills, I still ended the campaign with 70k gold, with several respecs done and only picking up gear I needed to level. That was before even entering monos. I respecced about half my passives somewhere just before that and I think it cost me about 6-8k
Last I checked, PoE also didn’t let you respec base class, so how is that different? I’ld counter ascendancies with Blessings, which you can also change. Yes, you ‘only’ need 7 different characters in PoE compared to LE’s 15, but it’s FAR cheaper in LE to reroll everything.
More importantly, it’s far less punishing to try out new skill combos or passives compared to PoE. As someone who played the first few years in PoE, I gave up because I didn’t have time to farm the Regrets to try out new things. People who had the time figured out certain builds and the game was seemingly tailored to those top end builds (as well as Trade, but if you don’t know the final build yet, what’s the value in playing the market?)
You say you know in advance you will need X amount of regrets (so you’re already an experienced player, not a starting one), in LE … I have honestly no idea how much gold it would take to respec to an endgame build, because it’s not something I ever find myself worrying about. The game isn’t even so lobsided that I need a levelling build, I have levelled characters straight into their endgame builds before and didn’t suddenly get to a roadblock boss because of it.
PS: If you truly, really, want to able to reroll everything about your build, Wolcen is the game for you!
Make your own build. This isn’t a game where you need a PhD in Path of Building in order to be able to make a build yourself … while you can’t change the Mastery you choose, respeccing skill points is so easy and cheap this is the ONE ARPG I’ve played where experimenting and learning by doing is entirely viable.
So pick Warlock and enjoy fiddling with skill choices till you find one that clicks.
Can we just start answering these with ‘Yes’, but you need to find the hidden quest to do it. So we can finally be done with these, and instead be humored by the threads attempting to figure out the ‘hidden quest’? Asking for @Llama…
Yes, that big message that the devs up in that tells you can’t is a lie! A LIE I TELLS YA! They only added it in there to force you to pay money to have it changed once you find out that it’s not actually possible, or to buy pre-levelled characters off of RMTers & then have an uber-dench haxxor use their maaad skillz to insert the character into EHG’s servers on your account.
It’s all about the money!
Apart from when you can, obviously. Which is pretty much whenever you have the currency to do it. And you can buy that off some shady RMT sites that will totes steal your mum/dad’s credit card details.
Dude, I have a job & it’s stupidly busy at the moment (the dark confluence of year end, month end, audit & bonus calcs), I can’t be this awesome in >40 threads twice a day…
Yes you are 100% correct. That’s the only reason why some people act like something is taken away from them. Also the replayability is greately increased by doing this what is a positive or still can be seen as a negative because “DeV’s DoN’t VaLuE oUr TiMe!”. Is till can’t make my mind up if a respecc option would be better for the game or not but I think in the long run there more speaking for then against it but that’s a matter of years to come.
That’s most likely true and I tend to agree but people who want to try out a lot of stuff without playing a new toon every time seem to problems with the system in place. Their concerns aren’t invalidated because there are people out there that use guides.
Noone said anything about changing the base class iirc. I might have missed something but as far as I remember it was a ll about masteries and not about the class.
I’m no experienced PoE player I’m just an experienced player and one of those who make up their mind before they start something. On the other hand I personaly don’t worry either I just understand that people feel the need to switch classes.
Tomorrow the friend I play with most has no time and I use this time to place 8 or 9 nine toons in the end of time before the mastery pick just to have some toons in place to toy arround with. I personaly don’t care about it because i have enough time and I need to escape reality right now because life suxx atm.
Then again I think can comprehend that there are some people who would like to repecc and I don’t think it would be a big deal if there was an option because the descission what mastery I take isn’t the big thing EHG is making out of it for me personaly.
I think everything will work out fine and there will be some people who are mad about the fact they can’t respecc and there will a far bigger part of the playerbase that don’t even know this conversation took place at all ^^.
It depends on if you’re trade or SSF. If you’re on SSF then forget about respeccing anything except minor mistakes.
In trade if your build isn’t completely bricked you can generally farm currency and buy scourings.
Either way it’s not comparable because your mastery choice in LE is like a class choice, the devs have framed it as such both in the interface and in what they said in the past. Your mastery is your class, they are inseparable.
this is false can already tell you that 99% of casual players in PoE are always following a build guide and they arent complex at all for example zizaran makes very noob friendly casual guides wich are extremely easy to follow for new comers no one is asking them to follow complicated build guides
You just moved the goalposts beyond the stadium, no player has regrets (I said scouring, that was my b, doesnt change anything though). The guy said you couldnt, you can. Thats all.
I never said build guides were complex, I said the passives tree in PoE is complex. Which is why almost everyone and their mother uses a build guide.
In contrast, LE’s system is much simpler, so while new and casual players might start following guides, it’s quite likely that a relevant number of them will start experimenting on their own when they see that it’s not that hard.
