Ballista - Shared Enhancements

[Heavy]

@Llama8

Going from up to 200% crit multi to up to 135% crit multi is a reduction of almost 1/3, that’s a fairly sizeable nerf. Though given the base is 200%, it’s “only” ~16% in real terms (less so if you have other sources of minion crit multi & I can’t see any of those on the Necro passive tree.

You can equip 2x that ring,(which many summoner probably do), so you end up with up to 170% Minion Crit Multi

[SrsBznz]

@Llama8

That’s because the Ballista uses a bow attack, so the 45% of your melee damage will do precisely nothing to the Ballista’s bow attack. I’m not sure I’d call it “needlessly pigeonholing” though since the only way to get bow damage is by equipping a bow. Would you expect to be able to do lots of damage with Detonating Arrow if you had a melee weapon equipped?

You can argue that the node should state that it applies player bow damage.

My assumption was that it didn’t scale with any player damage if not wielding a bow because I did tests thinking that the node applied 15% of my damage, not 100%.

Knowing that, I think it’s more reasonable but it should absolutely state “bow and global damage”, or something to that effect.

@Llama8

It’s still a nerf for a necro.

10 int can go pretty far for boosting minion damage and an extra skill point is very valuable. Though it’s most definitely a nerf if you don’t intend on using Sacrifice.

[Llama8]

But that’s a ring, not the unique amulet. The presence of the ring does go some way to offsetting the loss of crit multi but then you’d have to give up the up to 36% elemental resists from using 2 gold rings. If you ignore everything else, it’s a ~17% nerf in real terms.

@SrsBznz

@Llama8

That’s because the Ballista uses a bow attack, so the 45% of your melee damage will do precisely nothing to the Ballista’s bow attack. I’m not sure I’d call it “needlessly pigeonholing” though since the only way to get bow damage is by equipping a bow. Would you expect to be able to do lots of damage with Detonating Arrow if you had a melee weapon equipped?

You can argue that the node should state that it applies player bow damage.

My assumption was that it didn’t scale with any player damage if not wielding a bow because I did tests thinking that the node applied 15% of my damage, not 100%.

It may well be adding 15% of your melee damage if you have a melee weapon equipped but since the Ballista doesn’t do melee damage that’s not going to do anything.

@Llama8

It’s still a nerf for a necro.

10 int can go pretty far for boosting minion damage and an extra skill point is very valuable. Though it’s most definitely a nerf if you don’t intend on using Sacrifice.

Yeah, though given Necros can easily get up to 80-90 Int & would probably have a good ~500-800% increased damage in total, that +40% increased isn’t a particularly big thing incrementally IMO.

[SrsBznz]

@Heavy

What other amulet did you used? I mean there are several ways to build a very simialr build. But my ballista minion hit build was insanely strong.

@SrsBznz

I’ll tell you in a few days after testing the build some more (stopped after reaching monolith cause of impending update) since it’s probably going to get patched once I do.

Sorry for being a dick but now that I need to spend a total of 5 more skill points for 55% less PC scaling I just lost most of my motivation to (ab)use this peculiarity.

Gambler’s Falacy.

The Ballista is based on your current stats upon creation. Minion crits don’t count as your crits.
There you go, 100% crit chance Ballista with no other investment other than an amulet slot and the PC > Ballista crit chance/multi scaling.

Someone direct me towards the “voluntary tester” assistant so I can get a transfer of good boy points into my account. Thanks.

[Neokortex]

@SrsBznz

Gambler’s Falacy.

I really mistook this thing for “increased”; and not “more”.
→ Who can read is mostly clearly at an advantage.

Thanks for that!