ARPG communities are their own worst enemy. Just musing and laughing, feel free to ignore

It’s things like this that lead to escalation, threads getting closed & you getting temp banned. If you can’t see that you’re involved in the escalation and general arsehattery then that’s a you problem. I’ve highlighted a few phrases l, you might want to consuder why, you wouldn’t want to just react emotionally & gibber incoherently now would you?

You’re looking at it from the wrong angle. Yes, arpgs are a niche market & LE is a niche game in it, and yet there is still a wide range of viewpoints. Just because you’ve selected “hundreds” of views doesn’t mean they cover a wide array of players. You apparently didn’t include anyone like AbombDaChamp, for example, or a streamer or anyone who can do the campaign under 10-25 hours (which is probably a significant subset of the playerbase whether you like that or not).

You’ve also not answered my genuine question as to how you managed to take that long, though I think I remember reading one of your posts where you said you didn’t have a clue what was happening. :person_shrugging: I could be misremembering.

Yeah, I can do that too with a different group & come up with some very different answers. Doesn’t make it reasonable to apply that to the entire community, but at least I’m aware of that.

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nothing in there is worthy of anything other than recognition. People do it in literally every thread. they see one line they don’t agree with, and make an emotional argument instead of one based on reality.
Calling them a bad actor isn’t a bad thing, it’s simply what they are. If “you”, them, can’t come into a discussion with a serious head on your shoulders, why waste your own time and our time doing half measures?

If calling out bad behavior is bad, then I don’t know what to tell you. I guess we just suffer in silence? Or maybe we can hold people actually accountable for derailing countless threads with their willful ignorance?

You mean like you ignoring the vast majority of what people reply to just to focus on something you don’t agree with? Like you asking what’s the harm in having the choice, getting at least 2 different answers to it, but disregarding it entirely and replying to something else instead? Oh, the irony.

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Ok, provide em then, don’t just say ‘trust me bro’ with it.
If you want facts to support you then you need to provide em.
Then it needs to be seen if the method of getting those facts actually allows the proper options to voice it against the premise you seek.
Then you need to reveal the results of that accordingly, sustaining or not sustaining your initial thoughts.

Have you preampled it with a vote? So you get an actual spread rather then simply some signatures which sustain your thought that it’s a ‘yes’?
Because ‘hundreds of signatures’ is really not hard to get when there’s about 600k or so potential players for LE… I think more even.

Your lack of comprehension is not the fault of the writer, it’s your personal shortcoming.

Albeit it definitely would be better for people to generally dumb things down a bit more, which is not always possible.

Also I wanna point out:

This is primarily you actually.

Your way of writing depicts a hefty emotional inbalance regarding the topic.
Unless you’ve never learned any sorts of manners, which is also problematic, but on a general position.

So maybe start properly writing instead of flinging shit around like a monkey and then people are actually willing to properly engage and go in-depth about things.
Because the moment they say ‘no, I don’t think so’ they get battered with shit into their face rather then proper explanations and getting into actual reasonings.

Entirely on your there, nobody else. The only person putting themselves on a pedestal are you, stating that everyone not of your oppinion is simply wrong and incompetent, positioning yourself as having the moral high ground.
Which plainly spoken makes me kinda disgusted at you.
It’s apalling and actually the reason as to why people state ‘we can’t have nice things’.

Why so? (You see, explanations, might do you well to include them in your posts)
Because people either become defensive, which is not conductive to a proper discussion.
Or they become tired and just let it be since nobody wants to interact with a exhausting, arrogant and self-centered person which lacks the ability to look beyond their own personal and extremely limited little world.

Yes, because the genre is not very diverse yet and sub-genres haven’t properly formed.
100% true.
Has to do with the complexity of the systems commonly needed and the lack of large-scale engagement of individuals comparatively to other genres at large.

I got a very simple question:
What do you think people are doing here repeatedly… towards you actually?

Many suffer in silence.
Those that actually write out are the ones you’re ripping into willy-nilly though.

That’s kinda telling.

Also, me for example… why do you think I’m ripping into you here so much and not for example Kiadaw despite not fully agreeing with that post? Or Makszi despite simply telling you off rather then providing any reasoning? Or ResplendentEgo despite misunderstanding the whole situation?

Ask yourself… why would I only do it with you?

Maybe you can finally reach an answer that you are the problem here and not everyone else you try to make it out to be.
Fix your writing, start properly asking questions if you’re unsure what someone means, go into details for explanations when someone doesn’t entirely pick up on what you convey and provide proper examples or best-case actual proof. And not flimsy made-up facts saying ‘I did xyz’ without anyone knowing the methodology used to get your results in the first place and then also not revealing what the journey to achieve them even was.

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more like people don’t see everything, and not every point is as sharp as you might think thus not worth responding too…

see? read one line, ran with it and made a bunch of assumptions. I literally described what I did and you still ignored that and asked me to describe it again…ITs still up there for you to read.

if what I said was incoherent to you, I don’t even know what to think anymore. You pretend to be smart but then say really dumb crap like that.

lol people disagree with me daily. the only people who ever get any ire are the ones doing the one line of reading, like you do.

I explained, you blatantly ignored what I said and then asked for clarification on something I already clarified twice.

yup. just my view. not all the people in chat an in the forums and on multiple websites. not the people who voted on a petition and signed the petition. Not me sending the petition in and hoping for the best.
Just me. Randomly assuming things with no information nor data or other people backing me up.
Just me.
Yup. For sure.

nope. just you. you got called out so you rage emotionally instead of actually reading.

I wouldn’t ask that here because I already know. you got called out for attempting to derail the thread. And you didn’t like it, so you derail the thread. Proving my point about the community being it’s own worst enemy.

never once said everybody else.
I just said people like YOU. You are not everybody, are you?
I asked questions, you just didn’t like them. I did ask for details, nobody provided them or often mock me for needing details, so a non-starter there.
I do have proof, it got sent in to EHG…not you. You aren’t the developers…

its a pretty standard method. pretty much every petition is just you asking people if they would sign it after explaining what it is for.
Not hard to understand…and yet you call me ignorant and pretend I am the one not reading, while you constantly project.

I did, you just didn’t bother reading that part because it was inconvenient to your point. It’s not my job to hold your hand and make sure you read everything.

Your whole post is nothing but proving my whole point. The whole topic was about people like you lol.
And now I can safely leave. My point has been made. You don’t care about logic or reason or even reality. You just see what you want to, nit pick things that don’t make sense, make baseless accusations that can’t be made once you read…basically everything comes down to you being emotional and irrational about the issue because you got called out.
You and everybody like you.

See ya. Muting the topic since it got derailed. Deuces.

Well, I’m out. There’s no point in continuing to argue with someone that cherry picks comments to reply to and then insults people and says they cherry pick comments to reply to.
This will just keep going in circles and escalating until a mod will come and close the thread, so have fun.

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Yeah, even for me who loves argumenting it’s becoming clear that it’s a worthless conversation.

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Really? It’s been going since at least 2000 (D2) & arguably longer, is 25-30 years not enough?

@EmperessPotatoe Everything you say about everyone else not reading or having emotional reactions can be said about you as much as it can about others.

No, he asked you to provide proof, not describe it again. There’s a difference, but that would have been evident to someone who read the entire paragraph rather than just one line & making a bunch of assumptions.

You aren’t where you think you are on the Dunning-Kruger diagram.

Would that be the petition you’ve not shared so trust me bro?

Do you think that facebook searches are actual research?

Given your sample size & apparent skill with statistics, he might as well be. Especially since you most definitely didn’t cover a wide spectrum of player types or skill levels.

You so gangsta!

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One of the best things about LE is the public character profiles, so we can see a post like this and look at the characters the OP has and realise that, everything that they have companied about is a user error.

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Seemingly not given the amount of titles produced in the genre.

Compare it to RTS games, FPS games, metroidvanias even. They’re a dime in a dozen, but diablo-like games with the basis of a detailed Affix system based on RNG drops? That’s surprisingly scarce!

Time is of no meaning when the quantity simply doesn’t exist so some smart individuals are able to realize the distinct differences and optimize on the formula.

I hope it does as time goes on, the genre has been left alone for a surprisingly long time after D2 after all, with few exceptions branching out a bit… before it started coming up more and more again in more modern times.

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BUT IF HE HAD READ, HE WOULD KNOW I SENT THE PROOF IN TO EHG!!!
I DON’T HAVE IT ANYMORE, JESUS CHRIST.

Everything else you said is irrelevant at this point. None of you can bother to actually read, and you keep projecting that on to me. I intentionally ignore certain points because they have no bearing in reality, it’s just somebody elses inflamed emotional response.

and yet other people admit that getting oneshot is still a thing. Strange how some people can be honest, yet nobody else in here wants to do that. Wild.
Always 2/10 people you encounter in this game that just can’t be bothered and go full mental illness on you for daring to disagree with them.

It’s ironic af that you guys literally prove my point, and don’t realise it.
Damn near every one of you did the same thing I was saying in that original post. I am aware of what I can do to improve, but the inconsistency of damage has been noticed even after the alleged fix.,
Again again again, no developer is perfect and no bug fix is absolute. Yet you guys keep Sithing it up in here with your tall tales and inability to just read.

As I said somewhere else, I am clearing up my threads and moving on to just ignoring you guys and going to google. It seems to know how to fix my problem better than you guys do, so deuces.
You guys really are worse than the community from League of Legends and World of Warcraft, combined. That’s an achievement you guys seem to be proud of lol.

All the nice people never talk, all the jerkwads never shut up. Just like real life lol.
Deuces. Good looting.

I’m sorry, I foolishly assumed that you’d done all of your “research” for your “petition” in game or online when you’ve apparently gone out into the streat & asked random people IRL about it, written it down & then physically mailed it to EHG.
Pardon my simple mistake.

No, you intentionally ignore the majority of people’s posts because you know they’re not wrong. But you do you.

Again, stuff like this is why you get temp banned & your threads get locked.

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User error.

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The only instances I encountered of getting one shot after the patch were the 300C Woven Echos for Harbinger (Fading Brink I think it’s called) and the one with the juiced up Rift Beast (no idea how that one is called).
These guys hit me for good 5k+ damage on C300. Not just the Harbingers but also the Void Drill adds that spawn in that fight and charge through the arena. And that is with damage reduction from Red Ring and Null Portent, good resists, endurance, mostly crit immune (as long as I manage to blind), a decent amount of ward and health (though that could still be improved).

I think those two Woven Echos are still slightly overtuned. Abberoth has no chance but these just hit me twice and I’m dead.

Everything else was fine after the patch. Currently doing almost 700C and only dying to regular bosses and rares when I’m asleep behind the keyboard. The char can do more and is still climbing. No drastic damage spikes in regular play after the patch as far as I can tell.

Uff.

On a side note: I must admit that reading these arguments became a guilty pleasure for me. Thanks for everyone making this entertaining. :slight_smile:

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none of my threads have been locked, and I have never been actioned against. I had a thread deleted because toxic jerks came in and started calling me racial and sexual slurs, and anybody who agreed with me got the same.

I am not the toxic one here. In fact, you were one of the people who got that thread shut down specifically because of your bigotry.

So stop trying to call the glass kettle a pot. I am not like you.

That’s not what you said here:

This is where I know you’re lying, 'cause I’m not a bigot & have never used racial or sexual slurs against anyone. If I were being a bigot then I’d have been temp banned when you were (not how it happens, but anyway), which I wasn’t.

You do sometimes behave in a passive aggressive manner, not all the time, obviously, but you appear to be quite happy to denegrate people who disagree with you as can be seen in this thread & the other one.

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For me, you come across as being quite hostile whist being unwilling to listen to anyone that disagrees with you, at the same time as being “confidently incorrect” in almost everything you say.

Bring on the popcorn!

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Which of those 2 is a lie now?

Either way… it’s rather disgusting to see.

Especially with:

Unlike you I cannot imagine @Llama8 to be banned, one of the people which have a very reasonable argumentation methodology… which I cannot say from you, at all.

You definitely are… very much so.
If you wanna accept it or not doesn’t matter… ‘it is’ simply.

Man, the majority of players don’t know how any ARPG works. Opinions are biased and subjective. The volume of players who copy/paste builds dwarfs those who role play, and outnumber in even higher volume those who possess competency developed enough to truly get what makes their build function.

But you’re right, early game is incredibly important, it’s what holds a new players attention. End game is what keeps them. Often times, you find that a nice balance between both is what creates life long fans. I don’t know what happened since this thread got started, but from the frequency of updates for the game, I’m starting to get the feeling our devs have cut and run. I left to go try PoE2 because of the memory leak and it’s still an issue.

I hope whatever is going on behind the curtain addresses your concerns, those of everyone else, and we get to have more things to argue over in the near future, because as it stands, it’s looking like we were all just passing the time with this, pointlessly.

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Hi there,

Could you please let me know where this happened and by whom? I’ll investigate and take appropriate action as this is a clear violation of our Code of Conduct.

Thanks!

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