Why I think the game fell off so hard and why its disappointing

[Airowird]

@Macknum

@Airowird

And maybe CT is a better way to solve that issue than PTR

Sure maybe that’s the case… maybe not. We don’t know untill people try. We get a very big patch EHG is cooking on for months and therefor I personaly think it would be best to get as many hands on deck as possible.

We do know because it’s not a novel concept.
I have played D3 beta, several WoW xpack betas, Hearthstone, even got into HotS alpha … The atmosphere on discords & forums there were completely different than the PTRs I played. And I don’t just mean people weren’t constantly being toxic dicks.

@Macknum

@Airowird

A CT player is more likely to feel obligated to test what they perceive to be #2.

Again I don’t know what CT players feel.

As someone who has enjoyed these closed betas as a hobby, I know how I feel about it, and the way other people acted in those CTs atleast indicates a correlation with those same feelings in those others.

@Macknum

@Airowird

And then provide argumentative feedback as to why X node is never picked at all.

We can’t tell if this is true but given the fact Mike once said the CT project is very helpfull it’s at least very helpfull for EHG. Outside of this I can only speculate.

Again, my personal history has shown me that CT forums have more targetted feedback, especially about options being avoided, when compared to PTR forums.

@Macknum

@Airowird

not proof when it’s the verb, FYI

ty. I always get the feeling that I’m happy my english teacher isn’t arround. She would would most likely be very displeased with me today ^^.

you’re welcome

@Macknum

@Airowird

I don’t have number to prove(not proof when it’s the verb, FYI) you wrong, but at the very least, it takes a week or so to get decent guides out.

This is highly dependend on the game and on top of it we can’t tell if there is any backround stuff happening and the guide creators have some kind of deal in place. If I was a developer I would give each and every person who is known to breake games the chance to play the game before if they keepguids back for xyz days. So they can blast through the game and get everything they need for guides in the future while I get a lot of valuable data.

@Airowird

That means anyone wanting to “ride the hype train” needs to rely on their own decision making for a week at least, as guides aren’t reliable yet.

We can put this to the test for D4 next week :). Oh btw if you played the PTR and talked to some knoweledgeable players you already know what to do because most stuff was openly communicated.

Except the Last Epoch CT has some form of an NDA involved. You can read all about it here.
That means you can’t know if a guide creator is talking based on experience or just making stuff up. So players should atleast be more suspicious about guide content.
Plus, a lot of guides are made by streamers or other content creators, and NDAs cut into their income, so very little of them would actually join CTs without compensation and at that point, you’re just part time QA and can get in trouble on the content creation side.

And no, most NDAs also include telling people you’re under NDA, so a guide creator can’t just say “fresh from CT, here is the guide for when your patch is downloaded!!”
The examples I mentioned I was either not under NDA, or the NDA expired once I got a public forum badge that the game dev used to basically tell everyone I was in the beta anyway.

@Airowird

@Macknum

Congrats, you now have the unbiased data you wanted to achieve with PTR over CT.

Now I can’t follow anymore ^^. What?

A lot of players treat PTRs as early access. So if you just slap your data collection on the live servers, you generate the same data live as PTR, without burning out casual players before the actual release.

@OneOfTheBest

(I never read replies)

Then I don’t read your posts, because I’m not here for you to shout at and take it. Discussions go both ways. Be an adult and either participate fully or don’t reply at all.