Slow the game pace and increase combat inter-activeness

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IMO, the gameplay/combat and animations were very polished as one would expect from Blizzard, but the story and character development? That was just awful! The plot had all the twists and development of a road through the Australian outback, Azmodean’s monologues from act 3 were dire, the identity of the stranger in act 1 and the “child emperor” in act 2 were never in any doubt, ever. Adria’s betrayal in act 3 was ok. But virtually the entire storyline was just really bad (IMO), and I don’t expect much from the story of an arpg so my standards are pretty low.

And then they forced you through it three times! (before they implemented adventure mode, obviously)

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Yes but comparably there wasmt 3 masteries in d3. Just pick mage and boom mage. Tomaatoe taamootooo

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Yes, but you don’t need to play through it 9 times to reach end game.

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Well idk what I did but my respinse is above you now not below

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You probably hit edit on your other post instead of reply (I’ve done it before).

That said, I’m not quite sure how to take your post. shrugs I wasn’t impressed with D3’s story on the first time through, let alone the 3rd on a single character. If other people did like it, more power to them…

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Idk recall if i had a point to any of my recent post for you to get. Lets call it a draw

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Totally fine. D1 and D2 were obviously about the horror of the creatures and their machinations and destruction of the world and what they did. Yes at end of D1 you had the ‘hero’ gouging himself with the gem. But D3? To me, the horror and absolutely tragedy of watching a young innocent girl being manipulated by two people that should have been looking out for her, Deckard Cain and her mother, Adria, was very effective and gut wrenching. Now was d3 story great? I probably wouldn’t say that but I definitely think it was good.

I think so far LE’s story hasn’t been as emotionally investing. That said, it’s most likely because the story isn’t complete. I’m sensing some really interesting possibilities that I’m hoping will come to fruition as the story gets finished. I realize the time thing is the big catching point but I think it’s a mcguffin. What I’m seeing the story being about is uncovering that these gods are more a problem then the Emperor was, they’re self-serving and petty. The only one so far who has seemed worthy was killed off by a hot-headed jack wagon who thinks mercy and compassion are ‘pathetic.’

“Time” will tell though. :smiley:

But this is completely off-topic.

Back to the original topic I still emphasize I actually like the slower game play of LE because of the opportunity to actually use tactics during the play rather than just a serious of skill rotations that you have to time correctly. I’ve used terrain to great advantage in this game BECAUSE there is actually time to maneuver. I like that.

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Yes! I mean at higher waves in arena speed does get faster and its harder but for the most part being able to kite archers around obstacles while you wait on a 20 second CD to get back in reaper or werebear is fun and adrenaline rush

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I feel pretty much the same way boardman described, but I have yet to try out all classes in this game since I’m still pretty new to it. My maincharacter is a Spellblade at level 80 and my 2nd a Paladin at level 60.

Both characters kinda feel the same. I spam my attack skill(s), in case of the Spellblade it’s Shatter Strike (+ Manastrike weaved in between for manareg) and in case of the Paladin it’s Vengeance (+ lunge to get buffed). All other skills just either supplement the main damage skill by buffing my character offensivly/debuffing enemys or they supplement the character by buffing it defensivly (evasion/ward/protections etc.)…

While this kind of builds are very specialized, they tend to get boring very fast, since once muscle memory kicks in, you actually don’t even have to think about what you are doing anymore.

I think it has alot to do with the way damage skills and buffs/debuffs etc. work (timewise). I have to recast it very fast to maintain its effects (may it be sigils, flame ward, snap freeze, lunge)…, thus I don’t have time to do something beside buffing myself (or debuffing enemys) and spamming a single dps spell.

Higher cooldowns on DPS skills would force players to play the game differently since they can’t spam a single skill and use all other slots for utility/buffs, but I’m not sure if I’d want that either. This in an arpg overall and not a roundbased strategic rpg like Divinity Original Sin. But what I would love to see is a stronger focus on skills, that intertwine the use of different skills beside buffing/debuffing.

Just a fast example to show what I mean (it may not be a good one, I just came up with this):
A Paladin gets a passive, that let’s him stack “Holy Scars” on enemys with his basic skills (Rive, Vengeance, Smite). Enemys standing on Sacred Ground (that could be created with Judgment, but it needs to be bigger than it is now) will be burnt for x dmg / sec and recieve +x% Dmg for each scar they have on the next use of judgment.

This way you would create sacred ground using judgment, then start to stack holy scars using vengeance and then finishing the enemys of with judgment again.
It’s a solid combination of 2 skills that makes sense!

Why won’t that work atm? It’s not worth skilling like this, since 95% of the mobs wouldn’t live long enough to stack Holy Scars on them… most Mobs die in 1-3 hits, even as a super defensive skilled Paladin. It’s the same reason I respecced my Pala several times, since nodes like flame burst aren’t worth it overall (need 8 or 4 hits on same enemy to proc… no enemys beside bosses or stuff like siege golems etc lives long enough and for those enemys only it’s not worth spending so much points)…

Hope you could understand me, since I’m not a native englisch speaker ^^

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Just because you happened to like something bad doesnt magically make it good. Also learn the difference between opinion and fact, d3 being bad has nothing to do with opinion.
Diablo 3 is an objectively bad game just like the last jedi is an objectively bad movie, they fail on every level of video game / movie making.

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ok now I know you are either trolling or 12. The story in diablo 3 is considered a huge joke by ANYBODY besides you.

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I would be very careful with such statements. I am not trying to defend anything here, i personally dislike the whole diablo franchise/universe. But stating such things, so that “the whole general public opinion” is X or Y can be very deceiving, since negative feedback is (most often) louder/more noticable than good or just neutral feedback.

Also trying to devalue one of the most succesfull/renown games as objectivly bad is very dangerous. There are certainly alot of things many people disliked or stil ldislike about D3(i have a big list of such things), but the whole success can’t be just blizzard fanbois.

Please if you want to have any meanigful discussion just state your opinion, and don’t try to devalue others. And don’t try to talk for “ANYBODY”

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Just because you happened to not like something good doesn’t magically make it bad.

Huh. See I can do the same thing. You know what, you just hang on to your perceptions of the game, I’ll hang on to mine. One thing I won’t do is tell you you can’t believe D3 is bad. I can give plenty of reasons why I like it and why it works as a story, same thing with Last Jedi. Do I think either of those is above reproach? Of course not. They have problems. But they also have things that work. You hating on either most definitely does not make it fact. Everyone on the planet hating on it does not make it fact. Hell I think Avatar and Titanic are terrible movies, and I think Avengers: Endgame is mediocre but those are three of the top selling films of all time. So apparently the popular opinion is that these movies are GREAT. Am I taking that away from folks who love those movies? Not in the slightest. You, on the other hand, feel like your anonymity behind a keyboard makes you immune to being called out and if you shout the loudest then it must also be true. It makes me laugh pretty hard when someone states “this is fact” for what is clearly an opinion based comment. But keep going. Keep belittling people with differing opinions.

And I’m going to pass on any more discourse with you so that this thread can get back on topic and be something that’s productive.

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what succes? SAles are not succes, every sale of diablo 3 was because of people loving diablo 2 and wanting the sequal… it has nothing to do with the quality of 3.

How do people not get this… Same with movies, if the second movie sells very well because people loved the first one it doesnt make the second good by default…

People love game A and therefor buy game B, only after playing B do they judge game B. You act like the purchase itself already means liking it, which is a very shortsighted statement.

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please find me one person (besides that troll) that finds the story of diablo 3 good and can actually explain why. Dont worry, Ill wait.

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How about creating a thread for this and returning to the actual topic?

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No you cant do the same thing. You can only twists words around and leave out parts.

The thing making it bad or good are objective factors for one. And besides that the subjective part has 90% laughing at diablo 3. So you can TRY to act like a smartass but its just going to make you come across even more ridiculous to anyone who isnt a diablo 3 fanboy

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Because all of the sales were just pre-order/right when the game released. Yes of course it has to be that way.

I don’t have to “proof” you anything. But calling someone a “troll”, who did a pretty decent summary of why he likes something is just rude. @CaiusMartius not just said “D3 story was good. Peroid”, he did a small multiple sentence summary and i am pretty sure he was not sarcastic about that.
Anyway, i guess neither of us want to any further argument with you.
Have a nice day sir.

Sorry for OP getting off-topic, but i just can’t stand people coming to the forum and behaving like that >.< At least i already participated in some stuff that might or might not brought forth the discussion.

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I’m thinking we shouldn’t feed the

But that’s just me.

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I think we’ve had enough of this thread for now. Too bad as it was a good topic.

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