Re: Ardent Creator Supporter Pack - Availability Update

Well if it wasn’t a slippery slope then it was at least a lightly greased incline! And since I’m arguing on the internet I am well within my rights to totally ignore you!

Touché

@Llama8
What @McFluffin said!

Thanx Mäc. I wanted to google “slippery slope” to creaye a smart sounding answer. But I could not have written what you did… You saved me a lot of time! :kissing_heart:

My Master’s degree in philosophy doesn’t come in handy very often, but when it does it’s usually to prove @Llama8 wrong!

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We have agreed that you used a milder form (the afformentioned “lightly greased incline” argument) & that you are therefore required to pay reparations to the injured party (myself) in the form of a pair of (new & unused) 3090 graphics cards.

Edit: I wait avidly for my physics with astrophysics degree to come in useful to prove @McFluffin wrong (again, Shadow Daggers breakpoints, just sayin’).

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Hmmm. I didn’t realize astrophysics was all about blindly guessing and getting lucky every once in a while :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Jsut because the maths it too complex for you doesn’t make it “blindly guessing”. It may look like blind guesswork, but in reality there’s an obscene amount of very complex maths going on to get to that point.

And totally not a dart board with some breakpoints pasted on it.

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To be fair, while maybe not a Slippery Slope, there was definitely some assumptions taken. I was talking specifically about the amount of money spend on a video game. Somehow the counterpoint got into money spent on all sorts of things. Spending money on a video game and spending money on a vehicle are not equal. A pickup truck, for example, still gets you to and from a potential job that makes you your money. It also has the ability to create jobs (hauling) that will make money. It is more of an “investment”.

If anything, there could have been a hint of Fallacy of Composition in assuming all spending of money outside of retirement and charity (those were set by my example, which was not meant to be exhaustive), are equally wasteful.

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Maybe a $1,000 on a video game isn’t so bad in hindsight considering how much money you must have spent on a master’s in philosophy. :smiley:

I have a good friend that has a bachelors in philosophy. He is currently raising chickens for money.

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I wasn’t taking a position on the quality of the counterargument, but the pickup truck example isn’t an assumption, it’s an example. He’s taking your conclusion (that money would be better spent on x or y instead of z) and applying it to all other possible z that fit a similar mold to see if it holds up. The truck example did get a little murkey, since it brought in the idea of disposable income and questioned what exactly counts as disposable income, but if we remove that aspect the point is just this:

  • For all instances of disposable income (whatever that is determined to be), is it the case that it would always be better to spend it on retirement or helping people?

If the answer is no, that there are cases where it would not be better, then further justification is required as to why this particular case is somehow worse than other uses. If the answer is yes, then this position applies to just about every internet purchase from coffee makers to Etsy products to the actual purchase of Last Epoch itself and other video games.

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Oh yes, I spent wayyyyyy more money on my philosophy degree and it could very much be argued that the money would have been better spent on retirement or helping people :rofl:

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Guys, you may be slightly outside the original topic. :wink:

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Only slightly.

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I refer you back to @Llama8 's “this is the internet” point. :sunglasses:

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One might also argue that retiring early is only beneficial if you have a means of enjoying that time to the fullest. If you don’t buy the Ardent Creator pack, have you already stifled that goal? Also, spending on the ACP is helping the employees of Eleventh Hour Games. So, you would also have to create tiers of “helping” (in the first instance, possibly those who are not otherwise able to earn their own income through other people’s disposable income spending). Finding the right standard for that may prove difficult.

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In Germany we have a saying, that I sadly can’t translate properly. “Jedem Tierchen sein Pläsierchen” - meaning that everybody should be allowed to do as he pleases. So, whoever is able to spend that much money for a supporter pack and is willing to do so, should do it without being judged by others. To be honest, I wish I had a spare 1k Dollars to give out for anything I want to. It most likely wouldnt be this supporter pack, but most likely not given to the charity, either. So I don’t judge people who have that money and spend it this way. Live and let live.

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Yes i agree

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There is no point judging what people spend their disposable income on. Some like to spend it on beer, some on a birthday party, some to help the needy, and others to further themselves or buy a book. None of these options is superior to the others.

At the end of the day, spend on whatever makes you feel your life is enriched and meaningful. Life is too short to allow people to judge you on what makes you happy.

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Apart from the local court system…

And your significant other.

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