The relatively novel/unique thing they did was to make the currency/currencies used in trading also used for crafting to (indirectly) take the currency out of the economy rather than just have circulating round and around eternally until the economy gets reset every x months. I say indirectly since that currency would eventually find its way into the hands of a (skilful) rafter who uses it to generate a profit/more currency.
Doesn’t really matter from a definition standpoint. I’m unlikely to see a £50 note (mainly because I use cards and don’t like carrying too much cash around) but that doesn’t make it any less of a currency than the £10 notes (& coins) that are more likely to fill my wallet despite the £50’s relatively low “drop rate” for me.
Indeed.
I’m kinda ignoring most of it tbh. In addition to having a job that requires me to actually work (teh horrorz!).
Surely if the devs say X is against the ToS then thats kinda the definition of wrong?
What if my mate carries me through something and I buy him a beer? That’s RMT, is that objectively wrong?
There is a very large difference between playing with a friend and logging into a website to pay someone you don’t know / a bot to give you things. The former is fine, the latter is not. Being disingenuous about the definition of RMT and its connotations doesn’t make it any less wrong.
D4 lets you freely trade rare items that can be a base for BIS items (fixed)
Diablo 4 has the name “DIABLO” in its title and they can advertise it freely to people using their launcher. They also will have lots of paid advertising.
If you think LE and D4 are playing under the same rules well, I doubt you do so I won’t continue.
Free trade, or mostly free trade, doesn’t mean an auction house. I would never suggest an auction house. Ever. So next time don’t make stuff up.
Actually there isnt, if you give someone anything outside the game its RMT, just because you know them doesnt change anything, you are just moving the goal posts here
The only reason someone wouldnt get banned for telling the developer they got items IRL for carrying someone is because they dont tell them, if they actually did they would be banned
Where are these players coming from? Are they coming from the two biggest ARPGs on the market in POE and Lost Ark?
The gifting system kills a common way many people like to play POE. Which is to often play solo, on their own time, and mostly group up just to trade. This method guarantees you can keep improving your character even if what you specifically need doesn’t drop.
Now people who hate trade can still play Solo mode and never feel gimped by traders if LE adds real trade.
And so limiting trade is a nail in the coffin for players that need trade. While having trade and a Solo Ladder means they can choose to play Solo or choose to not trade if they want to group but not trade.
One reason I’m concerned the game will become niche is that I’ve seen a grand total of one non LE content creator dedicate time to these two events. And that person is GhazzyTV. Zizaran and ZiggyD have both posted videos in the past but nothing regarding these events. Zizaran was critical of the limited trade when speaking with the devs.
There is no hype from outside of the existing community and that’s a problem. Now maybe things will turn around big time for 0.9. And I hope they do. But after that D4 is soon in the market
The other reason I think an ARPG with no open trade is that POE is clearly the big boy right now and trade is a cornerstone for that game for all but the masochists. Lost Ark is number two in the genre and they have an AH. D3 was biggest when they had an Auction House. D2 was the big boy and survived in no small part due to the ladders with a refreshed economy (and unfortunately D2JSP). It’s simply more exciting to find good loot even if you can’t use it yourself. Get rid of that and you replace it with bad feelings when that occurs.
Glad to see you going and verifying what you are posting. I upvoted your question. Sorry, no beer. And complete coincidence that I saw that, not stalking.
While I agree that the goal posts are being moved, I would be really surprised if EHG banned somebody because their mate bought them a beer to get them some items.
Apart from the fact there is an item called Beer in the game (implying they are pro-Beer), identifying and acknowledging a breach of the ToS and determining and enforcing the consequences for a given breach are separate.
Consequences dont have to be as black and white as your post suggests.
But that is by design. That doesn’t mean a ARPG without open trade can’t be big.
There are a lot of players that feel forced to play trade in PoE, because it is designed and balanced around trade.
People still play it because there are few alternatives. A lot of people I know and a lot of people here in the forums already talked about it. If there are more alternatives, they will play and test them.
Yes LE needs to compete with games like PoE, but they also can co-exist in a healthy way.
There will be a lot of overlap of both player bases but there will also be people that will enjoy LE more, if it stays Solo friendly like it is right now.
Sidenote: I wouldn’t consider Lost Ark a ARPG, it’s an mmo with isometric camera, the overlap in player base is not that big. (when it released in the west it was marketed alot like an actual ARPG and alot of ARPG lovers tested it, but not actually that many stickied around.) Because at its core its 95% MMO with some action combat that together with the camera perspective is reminiscent of ARPG’s.
What if that beer was some sort of stupid craft beer worth $100+
You also forget WHY people sell as RMTers as their currency is worth nothing and they live in poor countries where US dollar is worth a fortune. Hardly anyone is going to be a seller RMT in LE as the entry cost is massive for some
You do…realise people RMT in PoE as its so accessible?
I don’t agree with your premise that someone who wanted to setup a bot farm would be concerned about the cost of the game license. For reference see d2 and d2r.
There hasn’t been one is the issue. And the big ARPG content creators aren’t promoting LE at this point, which makes me wonder where these anti trade players will be coming from. as they don’t seem to have any popular champions.
I do think it’s too big of a risk to take, to strongly limit trade, in such a tricky market. And if the population is small, then free trade will not have much impact at all. Just as it didn’t on say Marvel Heroes Online.
And no matter how many different ARPGs try, they never seem to stick.
Lost Ark is certainly an ARPG but a lot of it’s popularity is due to the MMO elements and amount of stuff to do. It’s basically a much improved version of Devilian and Mu Legends.
I did some research and there have indeed been some changes to trade in D4. Materials aren’t tradeable but best in slot rares, for crafting bases, are tradable to anyone. So it’s still more expansive than LE’s gifting.
But yeah that person has now been pretty rude twice in 24 hours, different threads, so I’ll take that as a hint to stop responding.
Thats because you have no concept of reality, most of those ‘licences’ were probably hacked, infact im pretty sure even my own copy of D2 was pirated. You cant do that anymore
Do you really think a chinese botter will invest $50US PER ACCOUNT to start botting in the hopes they make money off it? thats funny honestly you believe that, forgetting these botters have unlimited PoE free accounts to burn
Paying to progress outside the game. One thing to note I couldnt care less if someone RMT’s. Someone RMTing to me is like paying for sex, its pathetic. if they have to do that then I feel sorry for them
