Very good point! I don’t play console games so I haven’t thought about this! Nice one. BTW aren’t the system requirements of D4 not realy low so a 9 ear old system can run it? Well yeah it’s still 100 bucks for a gfx card that’s pretty unusable for new titels thou ^^. Now I’m courios and need to research why ps+ takes xtra money from people 
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Ya, you can run it with a low end card (I am still rocking a rx570), but it isnt very pretty. My ps5 can run it at 4k (not true 4k I assume), and run solidly at 60fps while doing so.
Sony, MS and Nintendo treat mp like its a luxury, if you dont pay the subscription price, you do not get to play online. Thats fine, but then there are games like D4 which require always online. PoE is always online as well, yet non subscribers can play…if you can stomach playing PoE on pad that is 
And how is that related to my initial post you replied to? I don’t demand anything, but just said (in summary) that I’m currently not in interested in playing D4. Then you came in, picked up a part of my statement and made assumptions about my intentions. Then when I tried to rectify your assumptions, you replied with more assumptions and accusations. So, that’s not what I consider a healthy discussion.
I’m aware of that. My point is, if you’re using that phrase, you seem to anticipate or expect that the person you’re talking to might be offended by your wording, otherwise its use wouldn’t make any sense. But if you don’t want to offend to begin with why not rephrase your statement right away so that a misunderstanding is less likely.
Besides, unintentionally offending someone isn’t a big deal. If somebody feels offended by something you said that way, just apologise and move on. That’s how I do it.
Really, how so? I’m not the one who started this debate and jumped to conclusions about my initial statement/opinion.
An example. I had work related contact with an american branch of of our company. The worker on the other hand tended to tell me stuff about god and the world and needed 40 setences to came to the point. I answered said work related point and the person on the other end was upset and felt offended because I got straight to the point. So far I stepped on enough language barrier landmines and feel like I should always say: “Please don’t be offended!” because people in the past were offended by a lot of stuff that would offend noone where I’m from.
This is kind of an example. It isn’t related and what I wanted to say is that I was stuck back in the Blizz forums with my mind. That lead to some written brainfarts here and there .
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Yeah, that came after you made assumptions about me and my intentions and jumped to conclusions. So, I guess, we’re now on equal footing. 
I played D4 for both betas. To me, it’s ok at best. It’s sad how the character customization skills are no better than D3. They’re boring, uninspired, uninteresting. How they did not learn from the mistakes of D3 is shocking. Last Epoch is, without a doubt, the superior ARPG compared to D4.
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Losing all progress and items twice in a weekend makes any (ANY) game more competent than LE.
I would take p2w D4 over ethical but incompetent devs any day.
beta (BETA)
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Nah, that excuse dont fly.
I’ve been playing for more than 3 years. It was in beta then as it is now. But I never had this execrable experience before.
This is not a beta issue. This is a multiplayer service failure.
Member what they said when players kept asking: multi when?
Devs said: It will be out when it’s read.
Well, that was a fuckin lie. Cuz it aint ready.
Isn’t the PS+ requirement for online games something Sony imposes? I don’t own one so I don’t know, but if so the PS+ requirement isn’t really something to blame Blizzard for.
That being said, making a Diablo game into a mandatory pseudo-MMO experience was such a baffling decision on their part. I have no idea why they thought people buy Diablo games to play top-down-gothic-WoW.
Yeah. The multiplayer service that you are beta testing. You signed up to test an unfinished product. It doesn’t matter if you signed up three years ago or yesterday.
If you aren’t willing to accept game breaking bugs happening to you, don’t buy and play Early Access titles.
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If your best response is: „bro, just dont buy into early access” then you not only lost any credibility in any conversation, but you also contribute to the problem.
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It’s the correct response to what you’re doing here.
You bought an early access title knowing it was early access. You knew that early access means unfinished and potentially buggy. You’re presented with a message every time you log in reminding you that it’s a beta, and that means there will be bugs. So, I don’t know why you think you get to start flinging insults around and acting surprised that swimming pools are wet. Nobody pushed you in, you walked up wearing swim trunks and jumped.
You don’t have to be happy, but throwing an indignant fit that a bug happened in a beta is way out of bounds.
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You keep using that „beta” as an excuse for anything and everything.
Progression lost? It’s a beta, so we good.
Multiplayer doesnt work? It’s a beta, so we good.
Servers died? It’s a beta, so we good.
Except, that’s not how contracts work, sport. Just because I willingly buy into an unfinished product, doesnt mean the developer can do anything and get away with it. For any responsible party involved, an early access isnt an excuse to justify incompetence, as you keenly keep on believing.
Coincidentally, I also bought an unfinished house and had to live in it for 2 months with my wife. But that didnt mean the developers could do whatever the hell they wanted while we were living there. Even as an unfinished product, the party is hold responsible within a reasonable set of rules, that are either specifically set beforehand, or are implicit with the deal.
And, returning to LE, losing progression and items (twice in a row, I might add) is not something expected, agreed upon or reasonable. I mean, I get, it happens once because some server died or whatever. But happening daily, or weekly? That’s not negligence, that’s incompetence.
And as stated earlier, the devs carried this game through „the beta” for some years now – I enjoyed the ride for the last three years. So it’s not a beta problem they are facing, but a live service – aka, something specific, something they did not tackle before and something that is obviously beyond their powers.
Yeah, that’s what beta means. It means it is being tested and iterated on. It means things, sometimes big things, are being tested, and are expected to break, perhaps in catastrophic ways. It’s not an “excuse”, it’s objective reality. If this were a game that was sold to you as being finished, feature complete, and reliable, we’d be having a different conversation. But it wasn’t, so your insults and accusations are nothing more than toxic entitlement.
The idea that the concept of a contract is somehow applicable here is as absurd as the idea that you’ve suffered any damages, and trying to bring that into the discussion just shows how totally irrational and unreasonable you are being.
Or, put another way:
If your best response is to act like a video game is in any way at all comparable to a home that human beings rely on for safety and shelter, then you not only lost any credibility in any conversation, but you also contribute to the problem.
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I have been here since the first alpha, whats your point? MP is a whole new ball game and brings a whole new set of issues.
Not quite sure the semantics, but PoE on ps4/ps5 does not require ps+, nor does warframe. So there is obviously some degree of developer input, to what degree, who knoews.
I did a quick Googling and it seems that might be because POE and Warframe are free to play? 
Ultimately not really worth debating though, because if they’d designed the game differently - in a way that makes more sense for what Diablo even is - what Sony/PS make them do wouldn’t enter into it.
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F2P may be the reason, good catch. Regardless, its dumb I have to sub to something for a set of features I am not interested in. Im not rezzing a damn person during world bosses 
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If you think LE is any more complex than wow retail, elden ring, fortnight, or anything else, I believe you to be delusional. Not disrespectfully.
I truly believe that Blizzard does not understand what gamers want. They could have the LE systems in D4 in terms of itemization/crafting and it would only augment the game.
If you don’t have a tolerance for errors you should wait for full release.
Also, i encountered many of the same bugs in D4, only Blizzard wants to release in 2 months.
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