It’s a failure to comply with your own set deadline for 2 damn years.
It’s a failure to provide a finished game with a finished campaign as a release candidate.
It’s a failure to expand your damn company when you’re in the damn red.
And it’s also a failure having to sell your damn company because you’ve ran it into the ground.
You seem to lack understanding something here. Unless Krafton had been that absolutely stupid to take over this mess the company wouldn’t even exist anymore.
What’s that? Success?
And what are you doing? Do you love people throwing you into the mud so they stay clean as they step onto you to walk over it? Come on… excusing stuff is fine, but at least miniscule amounts of backbone does one well. Doesn’t have to be on the level of me which does call stuff out heavily, but a little bit is a necessity.
I mean… I’m a customer, they promised me a finished product. I don’t enjoy the repetition style of the end-game… but I do enjoy playing through a story.
So they failed me entirely. The mechanics I can understand not being up to par… and the story not being a banger is also fine.
But at least providing me with a finished one would’ve been the absolute basic of the basics.
yea, if story is what you are looking for, LE fails compared to POE2 imo. But I still like LE, it’s a cool little game to play when you have 15 minutes to kill in a map. It’s not something you want to play for hours on end.
Which is fair, but not what was promised and showcased at the time I bought into this product.
And if I want to have 15 minutes of playtime I can also play ‘Dwarven Realms’ as the gameplay there is actually quite fun as well. And if I want more tactical movement I can also play ‘No Rest for the Wicked’ for example.
LE just doesn’t do anything ‘exceptionally well’ sadly. It’s just… mediocre and unfinished still.
Sure, getting better, but I’ll be beyond working age by the time it gets somewhere at that pace we have going on.
Maybe it has “failed”, which is a bit disappointing. But I suppose we’ll have to wait and see how it goes, hopefully we won’t be senior citizens by the time they figure it out.
On a side note, I’m going to play through Skyblivion which might actually be releasing after 10 years of modders working on it. Different genre, but hey, Oblivion and Skyrim were both fun in their day.
Yeah, even a failure can turn around and become great!
Nothing against that, I’m here and waiting for that, but until something goes along to show they can pull it off or are at least in the right direction I’ll voice out that it’s not fine what’s going on.
They can still pull a ‘No Man’s Sky’ after all… but it’s just unrealistic. We can hope for it - and I hope everyone actually does - but saying ‘it hasn’t failed’ with what’s been going on is just… odd to say the least.
Still are.
Fav one was Morrowind for me, old engine still and hence ‘clunky’ and hasn’t aged all too well… but it’s top-tier world-building. Oblivion and Skyrim are far worse in that regard, better in gameplay though since the creation engine was buggy but top-end for large-scale games back then.
I’m only in the forums as well and I’ve definitely noticed a huge difference.
They went from replying in a dozen+ threads a week to replying to a dozen threads a year.
And I honestly doubt they didn’t have the exact same reactions in reddit or especially discord. But they only stopped interacting with the forum.
People are passionate about that stuff so they won’t chill. EHG did a lot people can complain about and give negative feedback to. It’s like saying the witcher series wasn’t a trainwreck because some million people watched it and they should not get negative feedback for it.
Yeah sure it was never a bad Idea to ppl to F of if they don’t like something.
It’s up to them what they do but if it isn’t working out on the financial side it’s surely a good idea to neglect feedback even from people who are arround for years or to ignore resurfacing complaints and feedback about game mechanics that are frustrating to people.
EHG descided to develop a game and to put themselfs out there and we all knew what kind of mess this can be when people are fed up. I’m pretty sure noone who engages here want LE to crush and burn but people are done pretending everything is fine for years now.
I said it at release that the state of the game and the content available will not last or impress. The game was recived better then I thought but it’s rather obvious what happens. EHG makes to little money so there was a problem at some point and selling to a company that is untrustworthy from my point of view will result in me not spending another dime on the game… so yes they failed at least me.
What is a pretty bad strategy to begin with.
Well some ppeople are happy about it and others dislike this pretty much. I can’t see a clear winner here.
And this game system removed usage of skills in town what is simply just a negativve given the structure of the hubs and the time wasted.
Not only value. As someone who normaly spends nothing on cosmetics I wasn’t even tempted because to my taste the MTX was fugly.
And then they stoped. Now I have to read reddit stuff on the official forum i would never encounter. Didn’t they even hire somone for more coomunication? Never seen that fella arround.
Many online games, like PoE, do that. It’s just a performance issue (Mike has confirmed that in the past). If you play offline you can use skills in town.
But there’s also people making random sprinkles on a canvas and then that ‘art’ is worth 10k because their name’s known in that circle for some reason, not because what they made has any actual value.
Have they succeeded in making good art? Or do they simply have connections or found someone nonsensical enough to buy it? Well… or rather use it as an asset at times while not being smart enough to invest into functional returns.
EHG succeeded in pushing themselves on the well-known list of games, that’s it. That’s their value.
The game - the product itself only as a merit of a product - is not a success though, they just stumbled into being known.
What is good art? Not even “art experts” can agree on that.
Why is one abstract painting worth millions and not the other?
Why is Warhol’s campbell soup lauded as great art?
So, if someone made random sprinkles on a canvas (which is actually an artistic style and plenty of them are also worth millions) and sold it for 10k, it’s as much good art as anything else.
The value of art is decided by the public and is more social than actually talent/skill.
just looking at its biz model, 11HG was designed to sell the company, not to home grow it beyond the release. selling MTX without a system to sell MTX as your main source of income was obviously not the way to go. free expansions forever, blah, blah, blah, all hippy pie-in-the-sky nonsense. these guys knew they were going to sell.
He got known at galleries and then some rich people went along to buy those illustrations.
Are campbell’s soups worth their price? Heck no… neither the effort which went inside nor the result are.
We’re talking about a merit-based product here, not about damn assets. And yes… you can absolutely put a value on art for merit.
Ya know… like the models in a video game. Or the protrait of someone, or a complex drawing with loads of details and techniques used.
Gotta differentiate between value from bullshit and value from actual merit.
Aka “value from stuff I don’t know/understand/care about with stuff I do know/understand/care about”. As with pretty much everything, ultimately it’s worth what people are willing to pay for it. I’m not into art (fine or otherwise) either, but you can’t decry the value of the art industry while maintaining that the gaming (or cinema, music, etc) industry is totally merited (which you didn’t explicitly but I’d be surprised if you didn’t).
Yeah, and ‘it’s worth as much as people are willing to pay for it’ is differentiated between status symbols (bullshit value) and merit (normal value).
And never said either of them are fully merit based… wasn’t the topic or argument. The gaming industry and the movie industry (especially the movie industry) are a ton based on social status and not merit. And that’s the bullshit part simply
