I’ve been playing LE since start and i must say, this patch is a winner. In all possible ways. I have no words.
I’d like to focus on one thing that is killing fun for me quicker and this is content creators/maxroll guys having access to the test realm.
Why? Because they are testing builds for months and the moment they can, they will update guides everywhere and this completely kills fun and exploring part. At least for me, don’t get me wrong. There are people who might like this, some will say (don’t follow guides), but i would like to compete, to make something that might turn into best build ever. Maybe i want to start content creation? How, if every class is covered before hand? Everything is minmaxed so all we can do is follow already OP builds/tier lists or fail trying to do something different because it’s all already being tested intensively.
That’s all i have to say, other than that. 1.2 exceeded my expectations and I’m happy game is going in right direction (in my opinion). Keep it up guys and maybe think of making it surprise next time, for everyone, including content creators so they can also kind of compete making best build guides.
Every class is always covered & not all content creators are in the CT. Good content gets views, it doesn’t have to be the most brutally OP/unbalanced build ever.
I’m sorry, but why, or how is it possible that someone you have no relations with testing the game can kill your fun of playing the same game?
What you’re saying makes no sense… This is not exclusive to Last Epoch… it’s always been like this… some people are selected (or hired) to test the game beforehand, so the broader final consumers are able to get a better product on their hands.
Of course this leads to an estabilished meta game, where the most OP builds are always noted because they obviously stand out. But you’re not in any way forced to play those builds, you can complete create your own or search for a specific off-meta build guide (if you’re into following guides) and have fun just the same…
I’d argue you’d have even more fun if you just ignored all these tier lists, since you wont be left with the constant FOMO cause you’re not able to min-max the build exactly like the guide says.
EHG has a lot of working to do yet, so don’t ask for them to lower their testing player base. They can only do good.
Lastly… ugh… wth are you talking about? COMPETING for making build guides??? Oh man, I don’t even know what to say about this. I don’t really think build guides should ever be a matter of being competed upon. This is totally not what they’re meant for.
It’s like spoilers… if you don’t want to be spoiled… you don’t look what’s inside yet. Simple as that.
But many people don’t play when they don’t have the ability to ‘jump in and focus on the important stuff’ (for them mind you) which often is defined as the gameplay and looting, not the build creation for a ton of people. For others? It absolutely is the creation, or a variety of different reasons.
I rarely comment on the forums but this topic is ridiculous and outright entitled. The people who have access to the CT are people whom have experiences or have played and supported LE since the closed beta days years ago. If anything, their feedback towards any unbalance skills nodes/passives or interactions provided in CT is more valuable than your entitled “content creation / killing my fun”.
I would go as far to say that if not for the CT testing, this patch would be 100% worse due to some infinite damage skill node or interaction.
The notion of “Everything is minmaxed” is outright wrong. There are many skills that are not covered by the maxroll guys or those with CT experience. While they might not be the most OP skills out there, from a content creation standpoint, people might be willing to watch your video or click on your guide if you happen to be able to bring awareness to an otherwise unpopular skill to high corruption or even clear the harder end game content with a niche skill.
The fact that you are crying about such a thing goes to show how much lack of innovation and creativity you have as a content creator for an ARPG. You have much to learn.
People like you will destroy this world. Impolite and rude for no reason. No one is crying, not one is complaining. I’m just saying my opinion on which i have right or not?
You should stay away from forums, there was a reason you did not comment before.
You were totally complaining about (other) content creators getting access to the content before everyone else (ie, you).
Hardly.
Very mildly rude, but not entirely without reason.
You may wish to as well if you thought his post was both world destroying in nature and impolite and rude without reason.
You may wish to look up the meaning of the word “hypocrite” as well as the phrase “what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander”. Putting a smilie at the end of an insult doesn’t make it “a joke” or nice, it just shows everyone that you’re passive aggressive & don’t have the courage of your convictions. If you want to be a dick to someone, be a dick, don’t put a smilie at the end of it.
My take on this, is that PoB is the greatest build calculator i’ve ever seen and used in any game… I also would say probably more than 70% of the users don’t know how to fully use it and end up using only for guidance.
At the end of the day whoever blindly follow metabuilds is lazy, and that’s ok, they also have the right to play the game.
Also there isn’t a official rewarded race that I know off… I only see races being done by content creators and whoever tested the game at CBT is automatically disqualified.
I don’t want to be rude, but I rly can’t see your point… Why mitigate your own fun because of other players? It feels like you need to be mad at something…
I would agree its not ideal. Hopefully they find a different way forward. I understand proper testing is needed and it definitely shines through in this patch, where most of everything works as intended, ofcourse theres always bugs but the polish in this patch is really good. But I agree it feels kinda weird that the patch drops and basically all the best builds are already discovered and if you dont follow it you know you’re basically never gonna find something unique or broken because its probably already been explored by CT testers. I dont know why people find your post so insulting
Why does it matter if you do not find something unique or broken, if you only play for your own self satisfaction this point is irrelevant. This sounds like you want to brag that you discovered a really cool build rather than you had fun discovering this build. Don’t look at guides and videos and you could still discover something even if you were not the first, the fact that not being the first ruins your enjoyment of a solo game is pretty sad.
Its the same reason I dont play offline. Playing in a community when a new patch drops and everything is fresh and not much is known is fun. Coming in late to a season or everything already being minmaxed is not as fun.
The guides and the last epoch planner (had all the item base data mined) it hyped me for the launch because u could theorycraft. But i use them only as a reference.
But i hate the lvl guides meta that say, u should lvl one class and then respec and change for your build. I play a vk es, and u can lvl with vk es + rive. Its so easy to respec and try things out in this game.
I’ve been there. You want to be a pioneer of builds and your lack of access is a mix of disappointment, longing, and exclusion when your peers are slam dunking the game before your eyes because they benefitted from the early pioneers work. You lose interest because everywhere you look you see the footprints of other pioneers and their lackeys.
That is unfortunately life. Find a new motivation or a new frontier.
Well, this thread certainly shows the dichotomy of ARPG players very well. There’s no wrong way to play games, obviously, and the best thing a game can do is cater to a wide range of playstyles in a way that feels cohesive. I think the OP is pointing out a way in which the game could be more balanced toward the section of the player base who enjoy experimenting and using their game knowledge to create something cool.
While there are no IRL monetary rewards for being the most min-maxed and powerful (like races, etc), there are certainly in-game rewards. There is a trade economy, and if you are still testing something new while another is going in hard on a tried and true build figured out on a test realm before patch notes are out, you fall behind and are penalized in-game.
With content creators being given the run of the patch before others, it means that EHG has prioritized the (almost certainly larger) section of the community who prefer following a guide and smashing through without having to study or experiment. I don’t even think it’s the wrong choice, as these players are likely the vast majority. But I do think I personally prefer the PoE style of everyone getting patch notes at the same time, and the experienced and knowledgeable creators being able to see what will be strong for those who just want to smash (OneManaLeft, Fubgun, etc.). While their builds often start out as the strongest, by mid-league, there are often a few creative builds that bubble to the top from the experimenters finding cool interactions and such.
In my opinion, the current setup of allowing build makers early access is probably really good early on as players learn the game, but I don’t think it’ll be great long term. ARPGs are meant to be played for hundreds or thousands of hours, and most of us end up wanting to break from the meta at some point in our journey. When more people have had time to get familiar, hopefully EHG changes to a more equalized approach.
Don’t let Abom hear you say that. If you’re not pushing 1k-2k corruption you’re doing it wrong & your point of view is irrelevant.
I think this is for advertisement/hype purposes. The larger streamers get access earlier so they can create their videos early to get them out for the launch which is good the the CC & that shows the game off to their larger audiences.
I gotta be honest — this kind of post frustrates me.
You’re saying the fun is gone because other people are making guides too fast… but then you admit the problem is that you can’t stop yourself from looking at them. That’s not a system issue — that’s a self-control issue.
If you really care about theorycrafting, then just… don’t look at guides. No one is forcing you to open Maxroll or YouTube. You’re upset that builds are “already figured out,” but it’s not the guides that are killing the fun — it’s you choosing to read them. People like me are still out here discovering gear combos and pushing unique builds just fine.
And what’s this about content creators ruining competition? If anything, having guides helps new players get into the game faster, and if you’re serious about being a content creator yourself, then start building something original. No one’s stopping you from making content — but blaming other creators because they got there first sounds more like an excuse than a real barrier.
The game is incredible right now. Let people enjoy it how they want — whether that’s blind, optimized, off-meta, or following a guide. You do you. But don’t ask the devs to “surprise everyone next time” just to protect you from your own temptation.
The fun is still there. You just have to play your own game.
