Glyph of Envy is useless for crafting

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I guess the title says it all.
Glyph of Envy, which is one of the most end-game crafting items of the game, is completely useless for any endgame crafting.
The way I personally use the glyph is to press Z, pick up a random item from the ground, and proceed to use the glyph several times on the item.
From my limited testing, using it on an exalted item does not seem to increase the stability gained.

Honestly, it’s a shame.
It’s boring, there is no dopamine hit for clicking the craft button, since there is no possibility of the resulting item being useful. It is just a slightly convoluted way of getting stability.
Since it’s rare and end-game, it would be cool if it was even remotely useful in endgame crafting. I would like to be excited about using it on an item.

And I think it could be simple to get that.
Just make it so that the total affix tier is preserved by the glyph.
This would make it a gambling option for rerolling T7 modifiers.

So for instance, let’s say that you have an item that looks like this:
T7, T4, T4, T5 → total tier 20

You use the glyph on the first T4 affix, then you would get a new item that may look something like this:
T5, T5, T6, T5 → total tier 21
Or maybe this:
T6, T5, T7, T3 → total tier 21
(the first T4 is upgraded to T5 and maintains the affix, everything else is scrambled)

Depending on the balance that they want to achieve, they can also play around with the probability of getting T7 affixes, making the second outcome I listed less likely than the first.

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I don’t know where you got this from, but Glyph of Envy is definitely not even a viable crafting item, let alone the most end-game one. It can only generate affixes up to T5 and can decrease the exalted ones you already have.

You missed it completely…
This item is specifically designed for quicker corruption scaling and instant access to normal monolith maps Bosses for Alts to catch up.

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I mean, that’s exactly what he said. He said it’s useless and offered a suggestion on how to improve it to be useful.

EDIT: as for the suggestion, it’s a nice one, I like it. Though I feel all it needs to be decent is the chance to roll exalted affixes.

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Yeah, I really didn’t read past the “most end game crafting item”, honestly.

I hate it, and I think devs should have just made it a key-like item, like the Harbinger Eyes, that we could put in the “map device” when selecting an echo and it would give more stability, since this is clearly what they wanted Envy to be, a way to progress faster in the monos, specially on Alts.

They never mentioned it would be the most end-game crafting item when they introduced it here: Harbingers of Ruin: What's New?

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It’s main purpose is not crafting.

The only usecase for early/midgame is, if you received a item with a class specific affix like +X to skill Y on a bad base with otherwise bad affixse as well.

If you use the Glyph of Envy, everything, the base and the other affixes, other than the one you are crafting is changing. So if the desired class specific affix is not T5 yet you can transform the item into a pretty decent item. This method of crafting will fall off in later monolith but can be qutie good for campaign and early monoliths. for your alts.

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That would also work, the reason I suggested it this way is that it puts more emphasis on the base item that you apply the glyph to. You want to use it on a high total tier item to maximize the effectiveness.

It seems you did not read the title of the thread either. If you did not read why bother writing a response?
The glyph is a crafting item that drops from end-game encounters, it looks to me that it falls quite squarely in the definition of end-game crafting item.
You are welcome to disagree but discussing on the semantics of what is and what isn’t endgame is not really the point I was trying to make.

I am well aware of this. My point is that this does not have to be the case, and it is a shame that it currently is.

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Seems like you did not read my posts past what you quoted either. I explained why I didn’t read, cause I hate them and do not want devs thinking about changing them in any way other than removing them and changing them to a key-like item.

Also it seems you didn’t even care for the post I took time looking and quoting the specific part about devs saying what Glyph of Envy is about… They didn’t make it to be a crafting item. They never mention they introduced it because people asked for a late game crafting item, rather they said:

“A very common area of feedback we see is that it can feel very slow to progress through Monoliths on subsequent characters. When addressing this feedback, we didn’t want players to simply skip Monoliths as that can lead to a worse experience especially for newer players.”

So yeah, it’s just a way to speed up progression using the forge system, not a crafting item…

Sorry if I seemed rude when I said I didn’t read. Didn’t mean to suggest what you say have no value, or is irrelevant. It’s just that I really hate how they chose to implement this catch-up mechanic everyone always asked for.

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As it stands this is the current status.

  • Glyph of Envy is useless for crafting.
  • Glyph of Envy was never designed to be primarily a crafting item
  • The choice of using a crafting item for alt catch up is highly questionable.

I guess you would agree on this much.
It seems that in an effort to be original, they went too much for the weird option.
I think it is very valid to be frustrated about it.
Just having a right-clickable item that grants stability upon use would have been the more straigthforward choice, and nobody would have complained.
Making it an idol like the harbinger needle would have also been perfectly acceptable.

But this is not what we got.
At this point glyph of Envy is here to stay.
I highly doubt that there is any scenario where EHG is going to remove the glyph and add some other stability gaining tool, at least for a while.
So, why not improve the glyph to at the very least be an interesting option for crafting, and not just a catch-up mechanic disguised as a crafting item.

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