A Tragedy all of mankind is bourdened by, sadly.
But who am I to say such thing, instead of aprecciating the game for the fun i already had, my mind already yearned the next dopamine kick.
Didnt expect that a one-liner in a sub-thread over LE would make me question my existence like that.
see affix - âwalk to affixâ - âpress buttonâ - âwalk backâ - âdo againâ
In your eyes, is very important gameplay.
Thats all i can make out of your statements without any reasoning.
Why does it feel like you did not bother reading the whole thread since u wouldt have quoted me then. Literaly repeated the same exact argument zynic as i could to reiterate on my point.
Uh, yeah? Thatâs how the game works. Thatâs how every game like this works. Decide what you do and do not want to pick up from the ground, and then either pick it up or do not pick it up. Sometimes that means you have to suffer the tedium of watching your character walk for a few seconds. The horror. This is a game about getting loot. Thatâs all part of the core gameplay loop, by design.
Youâre literally asking to buy a maguffin that makes loot automatically appear in your inventory - no interaction, thought, or decision making required. That isnât Quality of Life, itâs not playing the game.
If you so badly want to play games but also not play them, you should go pick up one of the several hundred cut/paste mobile games that sell not playing the game, or an NCSoft MMO. Theyâll all be overjoyed that you want to give them money to not play their game.
This is a real game. What you want is trashy, and it doesnât belong here.
You are trolling me right? Please say yes. You have got to be at this point.
We coulda avoided all this nonsense if you tried to read my first reply to you whole, or the Title of my post even.
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I sugested it only for AFFIX SHARDS and GOLD, especialy SHARDS since they do not get scanned by the Loot FIlter!
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Not once did I mention ITEMS/GEAR. wouldnt make sense because (and I can not stress this part enough) !LOOT FILTER!
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You just came here to start beef, over a topic you didnt read, on a personal interest basis or whatever demons may driven you.
But good name choice. Big security organisation where i live call themself Bronccos. Full of meat heads. Always trying to involve drunks into a fist fight.
Glad we both decided to go Uber Karen-Mode tho and spend some lifetime arguing over nothing basicly.
The point i was trying to make is about things not being fair, thats how life goes. You know the drill
Life is never fair, but we like to pretend it is.
Thats the real crux of the issue.
Stash tabs in path of exile are if we go as hard as definition as possible, p2w. They allow players who pay, to have better storage. Your maximum capital eventually caps out if you cant upgrade it fast enough with storage limitations. Game is damn near unplayable at this point without a basic stash bundle you should buy.
but its not so obvious, most players dont notice it until they have sunk enough time to be fine making a purchase.
Loot pets are obviously and instantly identifiable as something that feels unfair. its sorta like real life, having a butler isnt some mega upgrade that is gonna save your life or make your life better. but its something we can immediately look at and go âoh this guys rich as hellâ
Its all about preserving the illusion that everyone has a fair opportunity to compete or play. Billy who pays 30 minutes a day even with a loot pet loses to 16hours a day bobby no ifs and or butts. But if bobby also has a loot pet, then jimmy who plays 16 hours without one is losing simply because he didnt swipe. And that makes jimmy feel like he has to swipe or might as well not compete. This directly hurts players sticking around imo.
A loot pet that slowly loots gold cause it has to walk to each pile, isnt strictly gonna break the game or make you op etc. But it creates that friction of equality between users and begins the slope of asking for more and more qol and going âand im willing to pay for it!â
Is the paid for character better than one thatâs levelled up normally? Do they get extra stuff thatâs not available to normal characters? This sounds like pay for convenience rather than buying a âbetterâ character. How is this different to the âŹ60 WoW character boost tokens that have been around for the past decade or so? Did the internet erupt back then as well?
As long as the person playing 10 hours gets 5 times as much stuff itâs all nice & âbalancedâ.
Yeah, one of the things Babylon 5 taught me is that Iâm glad life isnât fair, since that means we donât always deserve all the bad shit that happens to us. This fact is one of the things that keeps my personality so nice & happy & fluffy.
No, but when a new season starts, while the normal player has to slog for a few days to get to endgame, other players can just pay and start doing endgame immediately, having an obvious advantage over others. Not even sure why youâre defending this, tbh. Would you be ok if LE had a shop item that makes your character lvl 100 instantly?
I never really liked WoW and Iâve never played it. But from what Iâve seen, itâs far from a peaceful issue. Lots of players complain about it. And I think the thing that made it a little less controverse is that you can also buy that with in-game gold. Also, when you use one, you get locked out of raids for 24h.
It is. And the only reason that players donât mind it is because PoE is a free game and this is the only thing they sell that gives you an advantage. But if you want to sell items, for example, you have to pay money to be able to do so.
But what if it was unavailable for the first week of a league? Not sure why youâre even bringing this up since we know that the non-league players will be able to play league content with their lvl 100 1k+ corruption characters which will give them a massive advantage over anyone elseâŚ
No, if you want to sell items easily without having to spam the cancer that is trade chat then you have to buy some tabs. Even with trade tabs PoE trade isnât a particularly enjoyable experience, but it is possible without them.
There really isnât an advantage, though. Non-league players will have lvl 100 characters for this, but so will every other non-league player. Likewise, league players have to start at lvl 1, but so does every other league player. They donât compete for the same thing and each player in each realm has the same starting point.
Personally, Iâm not sure if I like that model, as opposed to PoEâs, but thatâs another issue not relevant to this topic.
Doesnât really make a difference, does it? Bottom line is that youâre paying money so you donât have to play the game. Or so you donât have to play the 2 days it would take you to get there.
Thatâs basically all P2W is. Paying money so you can skip parts of the game/gameplay other people canât.
It ends up being the same. If you want to sell a dozen items you just dump them in a tab and maybe someone will buy it, so you donât have to waste hours of chat spamming.
Technically, PoE tabs are P2W, but itâs just widely accepted as the price to play PoE if you want to be more than a really casual player. And only because PoE is free to start with.
Iâm pretty sure people would have been up in arms if PoE had to be bought like LE and then also had tabs. Or, at the very least, way less successful than it was in the early years.
I have like 50 stash tabs in POE. I use maybe 5 of them (not counting the specialty tabs) each league. Iâd rather play the actual game, than play Farmerâs Market Simulatorâ˘.
As for the rest of this, it all just boils down to everyone being so jaded by the POS market gaming in POE, that they want to be the first, so they can be the ones gaming the market.
Which just brings me to:
Not only I would be perfectly OK with it, I would go as far as saying EHG should probably do it.
If people are silly enough to first pay for a game, then pay much more to be allowed not to play the game, it feels wrong to refuse their money.
However, LE would probably loose customers who refuse by principle to play a âP2Wâ game, even if the argument doesnât make sense most of the time.
Maybe they should sell such an item only on non-league?
Even if it was locked fpr the first week. U bought player power via lvls. With real money
Did the paying player earn that power by playing the game. No. That is what p2w is. That is in no way pay for convenience.
This as well as the monthly sub to wow os why i never played wow. Except for when friends gave me a free month even then i hardly played it.
I mean, it came with the 5th expansion, so if you werenât playing it by then, I doubt that the level service was the final strawâŚ
Correct its part of it for me its the monthly sub
WoW level boost is only to level which is starter lvl for current expansion so you cant skip current content. It is good for alts mostly or if you skip few expansions and going back with new one.
Looting pets are great QoL but basic one should be free for all. It was pain to run over gold in D3 and it was huge QoL when they added pets for this. I play Lost Ark sometime and pets picking up everything which is even better. D4 is back to where D3 was on release so I take it as regression.
It is even more visible in LE when you also try to click on shards and other loot and character is moving back and forth because item is on another place then his label so you spend more time with looting then killing.
We will not sell MTX which provide power or convenience. If there was ever a pet in the shop that picked up items, it would only be a skin for the normal in-game pet you get that has that functionality. Though I believe itâs highly unlikely we would add any sort of pickup pet.
Itâs exactly the opposite, people are so used to P2W and microtransactions, that they think this kind of thing is normal.
Cosmetic Items must always be cosmetic.
Any QoL must be implemented in the game by default, and not paidâŚ
Because itâs a small thing doesnât mean itâs acceptable.
(EHG has no plans for this sort of thing, and I appreciate that)
i would buy a level 60/70 and i did played the game a lot. I would still level as well btw just like i did in games who did had this option.
I love tinkering around with uniques and hipster builds in endgame with different masteries and classes. This costs a lot of time leveling, especially in cycle over and over.
I donât always have the time to level and prefer a quick hop in and do what i feel like.
Itâs just playing the game differently.
I do get why EHG is not adding this though.
I love to read comments about OH THIS IS UNFAIR, most players donât even race and yes for the market i get why it could be unfair. How about after two weeks in the cycle being able to buy a level 100 (to stay on topic)? Would that be fair?
Would that hurt your experience? Lets be honest, you wouldnât probably notice anything about it. Its in my opinion probably the thought that someone else didnât had to do the same hurdles as the rest feels like HEY thatâs not fair!
Often itâs a lot about bad feelings (in my opinion), instead of other players being affected by someone buying a level 100 ingame (after a few weeks or after a month to not screw the market).
Let me give an example:
If i would be able to respec my character it wouldnât affect your gameplay.
For a lot of people however it doesnât feel right. You should earn it be releveling (those are some actual answers on the forum).
Long story short. Other players wouldnât be affected with any of their characters if i used a respec for my mastery right?
Despite this it still feels unfair for some people. This is a feeling and prefered vision on how a game should be played (and preference). Which is fine of course, i donât feel like everyone realises this.
I reflected on certain views i have and asked myself the question, does it really affect me? How important is it? Sometimes my view changes and sometimes i still think in the name of my vision it should be like that. Iam not sure if i made my point correctly haha
I love that EHG is giving us two options with factions trade. This probably pleases most players. And even than you could make a point about, hey but isnt that unfair? He can trade all those things, you should earn it by playing and grinding those yourself. See what i mean?
Yes, it is.